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Bulls 108, Nets 87: Derrick Rose leaves game with back stiffness, teammates still roll in Jersey

Looks like the news from the weekend that Rose has been battling back issues deserves a little more attention than I gave it this morning.

Here's what he said post-game Saturday:

Derrick Rose went off for 15 points in the first quarter of Saturday night's 113-90 win over the Milwaukee Bucks and then spent most of the second quarter lying on his back, wincing at times, while assistant trainer Jeff Tanaka worked him over on the far end of the bench.

What was the problem?

"My back tends to get tight a little bit," Rose said. "That's why my shots were kind of flat. But I know after tonight and the day off [Sunday], I'll get my back worked on and that should be out the way quick."

Rose isn't sure when exactly the back issue flared up, but he is confident that he can control it.

"It just got tight on me and that can easily go away," he said.

After that day off (though there was mention of a practice, so maybe it wasn't a day off at all), Rose only lasted 11 minutes before exiting with back issues, and didn't play the entire second half.

Back injuries are usually trickier to diagnose than most, so combining that with Bulls subterfuge, who really knows what we'll be told. For what it's worth, Rose post-game was 'being positive', though he also mentioned it is due to his foot/leg issues.

As for the rest of the Bulls, they actually got a taste of Derrick Rose's absence early through foul trouble, as Derrick's quick two fouls were the only thing that went wrong in an 11 of 12 start from the field, leading to a 35-14 lead after the first quarter that was never really threatened (outside of the realm that is Thibodeau's head). The Bulls offense absolutely toyed with them: even with Avery Johnson getting his team to play hard, the Bulls would use the Nets aggression against them through their passing and cutting. When the Nets would back off to a zone, the Bulls would either shoot or board (or both) their way out of it.

The Nets were a borderline playoff contender even when fully healthy, and for Monday night they were missing a lot of players. So they were in deep trouble, from the outset but had to be really scared of their chances when seeing Keith Bogans start and scoring 6 points. (Zing!)

Carlos Boozer was dominant inside (!) and out, even getting to the line 6 times. The 3-pointers were falling all night, 9-15, and while some of it was charmed, (Ronnie Brewer's second-half off-balance shot from way-deep, for one) a lot of it was just perfect offense both in the half-court and outworking New Jersey in transition. The Bulls finished with 29 assists on 40 field goals, and it was as effortless and wonderful to see as it looks on paper.

It was a Luol Deng type of game, really, and not surprising that he had 13 points in that first quarter, continuing to look really good in his return from injury. He finished with 19, after resting most of the second half with the Bulls more-than-comfortably ahead. Just kidding! He played all but 3 minutes in that half. Hey, that's Thibsball, and part of it is getting to see so many effort-fueled blowouts in the first place. But the really easy week continues with visits to New Orleans and Charlotte, so maybe Derrick and the trainers can 'think negative' to get that back right with real rest.

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keep rose out till sundays game

rose is a burden as of right now with his injuries. He wouldn’t be helping the bulls with his limited range and motility.

luol did rest most of the 2nd quarter though

only played 34 min! ha!

its a progress...
Was at the game tonight

And the half-full arena was 2/3rds Bulls Fans. The Scalabrine chants literally started in the first six minutes.

It was disappointing to see Rose leave early due to foul trouble, if only because having CJ try to cover Deron allowed Deron to look far better than he otherwise would have. Not nearly as interesting as the last few games, but not bad for $8.

Oh and Boozer looked good down in the paint to start the night, but once he started getting contact he retreated to his jumper pretty fast (which was falling, but still) and didn’t challenge Humphries or Williams as hard as I would have hoped. He should be able to dominate the Nets bigs.

$8 Dollars?
no kidding, that's pretty awesome
Yeah, amazing deal, the only catch is that you have to go to New Jersey.
And you have to watch Nets basketball.
better than watching the wizards
Bullcrap!

Who wouldn’t want to see John Wall do the doodie?

lol, and McGee showin off em Magic Johnson moves...
What about JaVale McGee

Dunk the ball with force when his team’s down by 25 pts.

Hey, I now know that Shelden Williams nickname is The Landlord.

And that the Nets PA guy is white, with a moustache and four foot long dreadlocks. It was not a total waste.

i used to get bulls tickets for 10 buck back during the Bulls Dark Ages (1999-2005)

all the CPS schools used to offer it, haha.

I bought 2 Bulls tickets early last season for

$15 total! The 1st game against the Pacers.

It's gonna be a real shame if Scal doesn't make the team next year and fans have to go back to actually just cheering for the players

But hey, there’s always Big Macs!

Ugh, the dreaded 99 point game conspiracy.
man i can't wait till the celtics are bad again.

i remember when i used to get great seats for cheap. :(

and rondo will be the main attraction!
i thought that Wizard Family Deal was Great.
Marlins are giving a $25 voucher per game with each season ticket sold

can be used for food, drinks, merchandise, etc… pretty sweet deal

I got tickets to a Bucks game oh during that "Fear the Deer" run

it was like $25 and included parking, tickets in the lower level of the Bradley Center, 2 beer drinks and a special Bucks glass.

They played the pre James heat, but it was post the Johnny “Fish” trade, and they were rolling….(that game though Bogut sat out, I think Salmons sat out, and Delfino almost died it seemed by landing awkwardly on his head, and the Heat blew ’em out….which was fine since I went to see D. Wade (from Marquette). It was fairly crowded that day..

I still have the glass, it’s pretty nice.

And this is why I really hope the bulls play the bucks in the first round

and the pacers in the second round. Cheap seats all around!

lmao @ the avery pic
think thibs gets canned if rose and deng arent healthy for the playoffs?
hell def be on a short lease...

if he does it again, hes finished.

he'll get a stern talking to from management

[pax chokes thibs with his tie]

Thibs

would beat the hell out of Pax. Not sure about Gar though… He’s got a rough look to him.

Thibs has popcorn muscles, Pax would choke him out
doesnt thibs bench press 300 lbs, lol
Players get hurt even when somebody besides Thibs coaches them, so no.

Unless he were to play them against medical advice, and they suffered serious injuries as a result of doing so. Which hasn’t happened.

he's getting an extension no matter what
Maybe not canned

But Pax might strangle him.

it could be worse

chauncey billups got injured and is apparently done for the season. leave it to our (former) dumbass VDN to recap it:

"He’s going to be re-evaluated," coach Vinny Del Negro told reporters after the game. "He’s got an Achilles injury. I don’t know the severity of it but it’s kind of bittersweet. (WTF?!?!?!?!) We will see what happens but we will re-evaluate it tomorrow."

This guy has to be one of the stupidest coaches in NBA history. No, seriously.

Was there. Didn't look pretty.
Hatchet job without context

He was asked about winning the game versus Billups’ injury. Bittersweet refers to the victory. Seems completely appropriate. If VDN is such an idiot, one wouldn’t need to slant coverage to make it seem so.

The victory was "bittersweet" because they won yet lost Billups nonetheless.

Now that does make a lot more sense.

Actually, he's such an idiot that almost everyone expects him to say stupid things.

If somebody else had been quoted saying something like that in a similar situation; people would immediately question the context. With VDN on the other hand..

Bittersweet?

What does he even think that word means? Just “bitter”?

I cave

Call me stupid all you want but I’m against any trade involving Luol.

I obviously am referring to any Dwight Howard rumor

if roses back is an issue, u may have to
i wouldnt lose sleep on his back injury

typically, thsi becomes an issue if he becomes reckless with his back injury and refuses to take rest, but hes going to be forced to rest if the back tightens up. Hes going to rest and hell be fine before sundays game. His toe injury, imho, its a bigger issue than his back injury.

that's the rub

the combo of rose’s urge to play through pain (so he’s gonna lie a tad bit & the whole “i gotta carry the city on my back b/c im from chicago”) + thibs’s drill instructor “suck it up” mentality = no rest

hope not though

That's a moot point

I don’t think the back is an issue and if we found out that it somehow is with or without Dwight we would be fucked.

i disagree

gimme cj + dwight as my plan B anytime..

if skip to my lou could do it, cj can

Luol and Rose for Carmelo and Jeremy Lin?

Do not want

Carmelo. Maybe see if we can match up salaries some other way like taking on Baron Davis and Mike Bibby.

But you'll take Lin eh?
Of course

Who wouldn’t trade Deng and Rose for Bibby, Davis, and Lin. If we can play them all at once but they only count as a PG.

I wanna trade them brewer for lin

but mainly because watching NY implode without any PG is funny, not because Lin will help us [though he might as a third PG].

Derrick Rose and Thibs for Jeremy Lin.
how bout our starting 5 for mr. pringles

the real mr. pringles though..cuz once you pop you cant stop

...why would we ever do that?

…ever?

I hope that you are joking
Sin

would love this trade lol.. but we would be the laughing stock of the nba :S

This

I want howard as much as the next guy but, deng means to much to this team. no if we could get someone similar to replace him through a 3rd team i would jump all over it. but then again i started to really get into bulls basketball when he was drafted and came into his prime so, seeing BG, Cap’n Kirk, and TT all gone its kinda sad but then again we have this guy who wears #1 so all is good.

I've always sort of scoffed at all the CJ Watson praise here

But he ranks 7th among PGs in PER? Good god. Ahead of Curry, Parker, Jennings, Lowry, DWill, and Rondo. Say what you want about PER, that’s pretty incredible. If he sustains this level of play the Bulls would be foolish not to cash him in.

the dude can shoot.
Hes got great handles to,

just can’t pass all that well.

its the #7 jersey effect

CJ has been possessed by the ghosts of old Bulls #7s past. BG, Kukoc.

Meanwhile, BG changed to #8 and his game fell even further into the abyss.

ever since BG got chiseled, he's been a worse shooter
Didnt know

he was ranked so, high after missing a couple games also that very impressive but, at the same time alot of these other PGs that got listed are the main attractions to their team so, they get alot more coverage.

When he's moving to his left that jumper is money.
I know me and Jucibox were really excited when we got him last yeaR

but he was quite a letdown. Nice to see him coming around this year and turning into the player we knew he was.

He finally got the Golden State out of his system.
I was always really surprised by the CJ Watson hatred

He always played hard, played great defense, and was the only real offensive option with the 2nd unit.

wow stacey on espn 1000

actually says he hangs out with neil. i can’t even imagine how that goes down.

But yea

weird they seem like the kinda ppl who maybe buddies at work but never hang out lol

this fuckin guy.

from sam:

And then there was Pacers’ coach Frank Vogel responding to Derrick Rose’s comment that the Pacers celebrated a bit much after winning in Chicago. Vogel told ESPN radio: “I know they’ve got a couple guys on their team who celebrate on every play.”

i hope for this dingdong’s sake he’s just trolling.

this was posted last week
well, darn.

dumbassery of this caliber bears repeating, perhaps.

Boozer? Noah?

Those are too, Noah cheers his team on, not rants up and down on the court like he just won the NCAA. Boozer just yells “gimme dat”

Like I said

Pacers=Lions
Vogel= Gym Shortz

Everybody over at NetsDaily is 100% convinced they're getting Dwight

I saw a a bunch of comments from people saying things like “is it March 15th yet?”, “wake me up after the 15th”, “it’s gonna be nice after the deadline when WE have a bunch of bandwagon fans”, it just goes on and on. Most of them don’t even recognize the possibility of not getting Howard.

Sorry but Bynum/Noah/DeAndre Jordan >>> pile of injured Nets

I remember they were the same way with Lebron

and they thought devin harris was just as good if not better than derrick rose

you know, it always feels like rose is still one the most underrated pgs in the league

I go to a school consisting of people from east coast schools. However, I have never heard one celtics fan, knicks fan, heat fan, nets fan etc. ever compliment Rose as the best pg in the league or they would bash him as not being a “true” pg but being a sg. I dont even bother arguing because I know majority of those fans either dont know basketball or they are clearly delusional.

most of the celtics fans i know

love rose. sometimes they are delusional enough to think rondo is a “better fit” with the celtics, but lol, most of the ones i’m friends with def acknowledge rose is a great player.

yeah, most of the fans that I know who love rose are primarily laker fans (and for some odd reason pacer fans, lol)

alot of my friends who are laker fans watch the bulls game jsut to watch rose go into beast mode, lol.

celtics and lakers fans

don’t have that insecurity about their team fulfilling expectations, as they just won a title and they both have certain hall of famers on their club, even if they are all past prime now. they can therefore appreciate some of the younger guys in the league more.

heat fans, knicks fans, hell thunder fans (a new breed i’m noticing this year lol, mostly backed by the good old blogosphere) may appreciate rose’s gifts but they don’t like him and its primarily because they see him as competition for their team. can’t say i blame them. right now it’s a 3-way race between lebrick/durant/rose to see who gets a ring first.

its LeDouche bro, LeDouche!

but yeah, that does make sense, haha. Thunder fans, damn, i havent met any thunders fan. However, i have met couple of bobcat fans.

yeah, nothing more lame than a fanbase who thought they were getting LeBron!
hey, thats us!!!

wait….

what do they have to look forward to besides that?!
Um

They’re pretty much right although they might not get him until the offseason.

After last night, the Bulls have the #1 offensive efficiency in the league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2012.html

Defense has slipped to #4, though.

That's a huge accomplishment

especially because the lockout has caused league wide scoring to go down. The somehow jumped from the 11th most efficient team to first by maintaining the same efficiency as last year with 108.6 this year and 108.3 last. the defense has actually been better than last years, 98.4 compared to 100.3 last year. So basically the bulls have maintained their offensive mojo from last year while the rest of the league can’t score for shit. I think we still have to wait to see how it works in the playoffs still since the change between years has not been enormous.

I don't follow that stat closely, but...

wouldn’t a number of blowouts against bad teams make the Bulls look better (offensively) than they actually are?

Another way to put it is: Can someone parse the rating out and compare the Bulls OE when facing above .500 teams against the other top offensive teams (using the same parsing)?

ill get to it :)

give me 10 mins…

well, i tried and i failed miserably

however, i did get the spread on how well their OE is on the road if that helps. Additionally, they did play alot more tough teams on the road compared to home.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/offensive-efficiency

so, if oyu were to ask me, they have done far better on the road than at home

and the road games usually wear down teams and the bulls seem to stay pretty consistent even o nthe road.

That would hold true for every single team.

The Bulls have had a pretty weak schedule so far so the offensive efficiency is probably overstated but I also don’t think it’s a stretch to say they’re much improved from last season when Rip is healthy.

most def and its encouraging to see their OE on the road is pretty damn good.
I doubt it...

meaning that the better teams are much more likely to build up gaudy stats against bad teams, and some win such games by wider margins than others.

I’d be surprised if there weren’t some changes in the OE list if it were parsed out as I suggested.

I do agree that the Bulls are clearly better offensively with Rip, and also CJ is playing better this year on that end.

Generally speaking, larger samples are better. Blowing out bad teams is the hallmark of a great team.
i'd be interested to see it compared w/ last year

seems like we’ve been able to build and hold a lead a lot better. we won a lot of games, but a lot of them were closer than necessary.

Why don't you just do it yourself?

It’s not that difficult.

i guess im the hero that BaB deserves, but not the one it needs :(
In general blowing out bad teams is actually a better indicator for being a strong team

Just sayin’

Yes. This is correct. Someone reads basketball-reference.com, too :) .
Yes

their name is Paul Warfield

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