Colin Cowherd On Derrick Rose (via martymonday69)
This is a segment on Derrick Rose's injuries on "The Herd". Colin is one of the only people i respect on espn, he's kind of a jack ass but he's gutsy and isn't afraid to say what he thinks. As for the slip ups this was on a Monday and Colin's a bit of a drinker, you do the math... I'll give him a pass haha.
The one thing i thought of when i watched this is, what if we had taken Beasley instead of Rose? I'm a big believer that a player only gets as good as the situation they're in, like Rondo wouldn't be the player he is if not being coached by Doc, Thibs, and 3 hall of famers. Would Beasley have been a hell of a player being coached by Thibs? I think so, but what's for certain is we have an mvp on our team. I just hope he can stay healthy enough to win some championships, he deserves it.
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What the hell?
Cowherd is one of the only people you respect on ESPN?
diedaily23 - February 16, 2012
yeah i don't agree with most of the things he says
but he says them lol, i mostly hate like Chris Broussard and stuff. I feel like they’re literally puppets.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
i understand if you don't like him though
he really gets under peoples skin
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
I don't like him because his basketball analysis is like listening to a rabid dog drooling on a leash
but, you know, you can put that under “he got under my skin” if you want. Honestly haven’t read that much from him, but there’s a difference between ‘blowhard’ and ‘hard-charging guy who doesn’t care what the rest of the world thinks!’.
Prevenge - February 16, 2012
yeah i get what you're saying
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
I don't respect Cowheard so I won't listen
I’ll guess he shits on Rose because Rose doesn’t know his father.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 16, 2012
lol
He just basically says small players who score at the rim tend not to last very long. Then advises that Derrick Rose starts pulling up for jumpers more or else he could end up like Wade or Iverson.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
Iverson had his problems
But I don’t think longevity was one of them
tuluse - February 16, 2012
how was it not?
he was always injured and just stopped being a productive player
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
He still put up a 20.9 PER at the age of 32 with a career high TS% playing 82 games
The next year he got traded to Detroit and didn’t fit in, and then went to a series of teams where he also didn’t fit. It wasn’t a lack of production that killed his career, but an unwillingness to be anything but the focal point.
runningman - February 16, 2012
he was not "always injured"
he played 74, 80, 48 (out of 50 in the lockout shortened season), 70, 71, 60, 82, 48, 75, 72, 65, 82, and 57 games. That’s not really any more injury prone than any number of other players of much bigger size than Iverson. His only really injury riddled season was the one he played 48 games of 82. 57 games in his second to last season wasn’t great, but that’s mostly because the Nuggets stopped playing him. He went to Detroit and played 54 games and nearly 2000 minutes.
fundamentallysound - February 17, 2012
If Rose has a career like Wade...
I’ll be happy. A Championship, an additional trip to the Finals, and 8 playoff years in 8 years (Imma give them a playoff spot this year). If Rose has a Championship in the next 4-5 years and is still an All-Star / MVP candidate, I’ll consider that a successful early career.
Doshi - February 16, 2012
I just want him to skip
the part where he uses Chicago for leverage and signs in Miami. I’ll never stop disliking Wade for his involvement in that whole debacle.
metalkiwis - February 17, 2012
I absolutely agree
His little facade about possibly wanting to come to Chicago is exactly like his personality though- attention seeking whore who thinks he deserves everything. Always, always, always looking for a foul call while taking some of the most asinine shots. I hope Chicagoans exclude him from our heritage when they talk about him, not necessarily because he didn’t want to come play for us, but because he made us do the whole dog and pony show for him while having no intention of playing here.
Bigp2287 - February 19, 2012
rose should start pulling up for jumpers more
so guys like colin cowherd can go on rants of why guys like rose arent special because all they do is pull up for jumpers…..im not making this up…..just listen to any of his derrick rose rants from last year…
piccolomair - February 16, 2012
Stupid people
forget what they say and just talk out their asses. So you get them arguing both sides of the same argument.
I do it all the time but I try not to get caught.
metalkiwis - February 17, 2012
WTF
Hinrich scoring at the basket? Rose is 6’3 and his playing weight is 190-200 + pounds. Yes Colin I’d take Calvin Johnson over Jackson because Johnson is flat out better. This is the first season Derrick has missed significant amount of time mainly because of back spasms and how truncated the schedule is. If he is going to have that opinion at least back it up with some factual logic.
squadron supreme - February 16, 2012
Rose has had that toe injury for years already
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
fuck cowherd
id rather hear skip baseless any day over this tool
Belize - February 16, 2012
yup
I hate his voice, on top of his shitty attitude
Trey23 - February 16, 2012
Cowherd is THE worst
and to answer your question; Beasley would suck here too.
dp8292 - February 16, 2012
i thought so too until like 2 weeks ago
i was sick and watching tv and he made me laugh my ass off cause he swore on tv. Beasley doesn’t suck though he’s actually a good player.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
dude isn’t terrible but he’s not good. just another high volume scorer who doesn’t give you any other value(rebounding, passing, defending)
C Smoove - February 16, 2012
well last year
He did 19ppg 5.5 rpg 45% fgp in 33mpg. That sounds like a good player to me plus he’s not the worst defender.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012 via mobile
deng is better than beasley
beasley played for fucking pat riley and pat riley couldnt figure his dumb ass out….Pat riley lead a team of thugs in the 90s, and HE couldnt figure out beasley….yea….i think if you switched rose and beasley, rose wins a championship with the heat….
piccolomair - February 16, 2012
dude, lets just be real
if beasely came, he would have messed with noah…knowing this they both would have become the second coming of cheech and chong and we would be the laughing stock of the nba
i agree with one thing: beas got a lil game but he aint the one
Belize - February 16, 2012
haha probably
stoner city
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
we could have been Stoner City!
Lob City who??
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
he can score, we all know this but how many shots does it take. and again he doesn’t really offer plus rebounding or even average defense. most of this is because he’s a tweener. Beasley is basically a better Fizer.
C Smoove - February 17, 2012
he shoots 45%
Which is pretty decent, he has 3 point range and will get you around 6 boards a game. Not a perfect player by any means but he’s looked at as a lot worse cause of his rep.
MartyMondays - February 17, 2012
He’d be a great 6th man….the guy can score
C Smoove - February 17, 2012
Beasley did not play in a dysfunctional environment when he got to the NBA
he spent his first two years in Miami with DWade and Coach Spo. Say what you will about Miami, but I’ve never heard of them being a place that stunts player development. Beasley’s problems are both mental (he’s has a fews screws loose) and basketball skills wise (he isn’t physical enough to be a 4, not quick enough to be a 3). He certainly can score, but he has never worked hard enough to develop a consistent go to NBA move. He doesn’t like contact so he doesn’t rebound like you would expect a 4 too. And defensively he is a sieve at nearly any position you put him at.
If you put him on the Bulls team, maybe they would have been able to hide his defensive limitations, but his lack of mental fortitude would have shown through. Beasley’s game is best suited as a #1 option scorer, but he isn’t mentally capable of performing that task. Beasley could never carry the burden of being the #1 guy as a rookie. That would have been especially hard if he was in Chicago and Chicago-native Rose was kicking ass in Miami.
He is Antoine Walker 2.0 w/o the shimmy and with more mental baggage.
Basketball Smurf - February 16, 2012
Really?
Because he swore on TV? …wow…got nothing here.Really? You’re setting your standards at Lindsey Lohan levels.
Sandberg's evil twin - February 21, 2012
(Did not listen)
chicity773 - February 16, 2012
This
is the only way to handle anything that spews out of the speakers when ESPN is on.
There is a mute button people. The only times I can handle listening to any sports related on TV is when it’s Steve Stone doing the Sox or of course for Stacey. Every single NFL broadcaster is flat-out bad. Joe Buck is a moron. Joe Morgan was awful. I guess Marv Albert is OK, but after the biting thing it’s just kind of a joke. Shit like PTI, ATH and 1st and ten they just argue to be talking loudly.
metalkiwis - February 17, 2012
Joe Buck is a robot
Created and groomed by fox to feed us bullshit.
Bigp2287 - February 19, 2012
brutal.
MarketMaker - February 16, 2012
I mean, I don't really see anything wrong with what he said
If anything, he’s just guilty of stating the obvious
Juiceboxjerry - February 16, 2012
That you Colin?
Colin J Cowherd?
hedonism bot - February 19, 2012
it is completely because of colin cowhered
that i cant like indiana coach vogel….they look too similar…..and i hate cowherd..
piccolomair - February 16, 2012
THATS IT!!!!
i was wondering why i hated his nostrils
Belize - February 16, 2012
lol
paddyfairview - February 16, 2012
Would Thibs even be here if the Bulls didn't draft Derrick?
And I don’t really think you can say Beasley would have been better here. If Spoelstra and Riley couldn’t get him to his potential then how the hell could VDN have managed it?
Survival Impaired - February 16, 2012
Don't think i would ever hope that we would have drafted Beasley guys
I’m so glad we picked rose instead it was just an interesting idea to me. It would have changed the entire league but i don’t really think Wade + Rose would mesh at all. It would be like a worse current Miami team in my opinion.
Beasley would probably never have been the player Rose is but i do think he is a nice player. I wouldn’t mind him on the Bulls instead of Boozer plus he grew an inch since entering the league and is now 6’10! He’s younger than Rose as well which is pretty crazy.
Colin didn’t attack Rose at all in this segment either, and i do agree with him in the sense that Rose should stop playing as aggressive. In my opinion it’s not worth throwing your body in the paint all game long during the regular season at least.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
and on another note
i recorded this off the tv myself just to show you guys… so even though you hate Colin i hope you guys maybe, kinda, sorta, almost, like this post. Probably not. :[
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
Why would anyone who hates Cowherd like this post?
It is a video of Cowherd. Not only do we have to listen to him, we have to look at his rat face, too.
JeffD - February 16, 2012
I mainly did it
because a lot of you mention how espn never brings up the Bulls so i thought I’d show you a time that they did.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
my problem with espn is when they bring up the bulls
they dont really discuss the bulls…Like with the heat they will talk about the roster the coach the players what they have to work on what they want to see when they saw it. With the bulls they tell u the bare minimum and then try to guess at what rose should do without any actual information about him or the team or anything.
I listen to the nbatoday podcast, and its pretty awesome actually. About two weeks ago they did a podcast and they say, ’well we get a ton of emailers from chicago bulls fans about how we dont talk about them, so today we are gonna make sure we talk a lot about the bulls" I kinda got happy cuz i agreed, and they started up talking about the bulls as promised, and then at some point compared the bulls to the heat….that was probably 2 minutes into the bulls discussion, from there on the rest of the “bulls” portion of the podcast was regarding the heat, not the bulls. It was a major let down…i think essentially this is what people on bab and chicago bulls fans in general complain about when refering to espn.
I kinda get it, the bulls dont really have that “personality” that espn can talk about or exploit. Rose has flaws to his game, but the ones who talk about those flaws dont know how to actually talk about them without getting rose wrong (i.e. rose shoots too much) and the knowledgeable ones on the bulls rarely ever show up. I kinda dont care really, mainly cuz espn is either overhyping , severely underestimating, or just plain wrong about basketball subjects in general.
If i had to pick an espn talking head (or two) I think Ryen Russillo and Scott Van Pelt are my two favorites. Especially Russillo…those guys are objective, qualify whatever thoughts or opinions they have, and i actually believe them when they say they watch the games. I dont always agree with them, but at the least they arent doing the typical overhyping or making shit up and calling it fact.
piccolomair - February 16, 2012
i agree with you on that
I really like scott van pelt and russillo. Colin and Skip i like more for entertainment and they make me laugh, but mostly they just babble on and on. I don’t take espn as a serious source for information, i barely even watch it, so when i do it’s usually just for an hour or two on a slow morning.
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
He’s as dumb as a box of rocks, and that’s disrespectful to rocks. Fuck this, I’m not listening.
dakoose - February 16, 2012
rec'd
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
Yeah, you always take the big guy because they're more likely to last
Greg Oden, Yao Ming, Sam Bowie and Bill Walton agree with you, Colin.
Poloplaya14 - February 16, 2012
In response to cowherd,
I think it’s important to note the progression of Rose’s floater. That shot allows Rose to drive and still score at a high percentage, without suffering the hits he does when he takes the ball all the way to the rim. More than anything, that floater can help prolong his career.
Uncle Stanley McGoober - February 16, 2012
i love the floater
and have noticed he’s using it more
MartyMondays - February 16, 2012
I get what he's trying to say, but I don't really agree with it that much. The only times I
really remember him being pounded by going to the rim was against Dwight, and the Pacers……..and the Pacers are dirty as fuck. Rose has great body control so he actually avoids a lot of contact. I remember people on here complained because he wasn’t getting to the line enough even though he finished near the rim at a pretty high clip.
Now when he tries to draw fouls with contact and he takes a fall, everyone holds their collective breaths. Can’t really have it both ways. I’ll trust Rose in developing his game to include more jumpers. I mean he uses the floater more this year to not have to drive as much, and it’s pretty effective, so I’m sure with time he’ll get even better with his jumper and be a more complete player. Turf toe isn’t really an injury that you get from contact as far as I know. I think it’s more of speed, turning directions, etc. Back spasms was him trying to compensate for the toe. Nothing really to do with contact either.
Size isn’t always important(that’s what she said) when it comes to injury. Some people are just more durable than others. And to compare football players to basketball players……well it’s cowherd so that’s not too surprising. But Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss(Thin as hell, didn’t like to go over the middle much either), Barry Sanders who some thought was too small to play and wound up being the greatest, my opinion anyway. You go for the best talent regardless of size. Being big does not equal being durable.
BlackStar - February 17, 2012
You mean
-The same guy who compared Kevin Durant to Antonio McDyess and was considering Greg Oden the second coming of Jesus?
-The one who praises Lebron for walking on Earth but chastised Rose for not trying to recruit players to Chicago?
-The same guy who literally said “I’ll do a show in my underwear if Tyler Hansborough scores 20 in an NBA game”?
-The same guy who once said we are ushering the era of the guard and waving goodbye to the era of the center because centers are “obese”?
Indeed, Cowherd speaks what he thinks. But he doesn’t really think so that’s not saying much. I consider him and Skip Bayless nothing less than glorified fans who are paid to play the devil’s advocate no matter what the circumstances. It doesn’t matter what logic, stats, numbers, evidence, etc. that you put in front of them, they will defend their remarks and decisions to the death and never admit they were off or wrong.
Saukrates - February 17, 2012
It's entertainment
can’t defend the Durant thing, but the lebron love is always going to happen. I hate him but there’s a good chance we will never see a player as talented as him in our lives again. The Tyler thing is funny, and he’s right that its not a center’s league.
No one should turn on espn and respect it as a completely true source of information, its like a Wikipedia with no editors. If you like sports you might watch it for others opinions of sports. Is rather watch Cowherd then Chris Broussard or sportscenter, at least there’s opinions and jokes. My view on him is he reminds me of one of my friends who talks way too much. On another note I think people instantly feel attacked if Derrick Rose is brought up in any way that isn’t positive. I love D.Rose but it shouldn’t be shunned to talk about his flaws.
MartyMondays - February 17, 2012
Ironic that you bring up the Lebron love
Because Cowherd used to be really critical on Lebron when he played for the Cavs. Ever since he went to Miami, Cowherd talks about him like he walks on water (go figure). And I agree that it not a center’s league, but saying it’s because centers are obese? And I don’t mind that everyone doesn’t love Rose, but your job as a journalist is to give your opinion with included facts. Not vilify players for the hell of it. (Which Cowherd loves to do).
Its not that I don’t like what Cowherd brand of work is, but the fact that he doesn’t change his opinions even in the presence of statistics and evidence to the contrary. It seems like he goes on the air and just makes arbitrary statements. And yeah you said it, it’s Wikipedia without editors. The reason I have no respect for him and Bayless is they don’t give credit to the players even when they do something great. People who do that are what I call fans. I hate Kobe Bryant with a passion, but even I have to give him credit when he does something special. So as a journalist, of course it’s your job to stir up controversy a little, but to just do it for the sheer fact and have very little to no real evidence to support your statement other than the fact you don’t like someone. Anyone on this blog could do that.
Saukrates - February 17, 2012
see but saying they're obese
Is what makes people think the show is funny. You can go up there and describe how the defensive 5 seconds or whatever changed the league. Or how guards are better to watch, that’s not entertainment though. He makes people laugh talks for 2 hours about whatever he feels like, and you either love him or hate him. His job is done.
MartyMondays - February 17, 2012
honestly
i talk to a bunch of sports people at work and at school and stuff, you are the first one that has said they RESPECT (much less like) colin cowherd. His job is to be NOT liked. Dumber newb fans mistake him for being a smart guy, and sometimes put some weight on his thoughts, but its the ones who dont know how wrong he actually is. Anyone who actually knows sports knows that colins job is just to be contraversial. Both him and skip bayless have that niche, but id choose skip bayless over cowherd because skip is absurdly over the top that it actually is hilarious, colin is a guy who takes himself way too serious and comes off as a pompous douche
piccolomair - February 17, 2012
I ignore idiots so I don't have to care about him at all.
Sandberg's evil twin - February 21, 2012
i do however agree
That if you’re a serious journalist, then your approach is much more appropriate.
MartyMondays - February 17, 2012
What Colin does is unethical.
SRQman - February 17, 2012
He just refered to him as "Derick Jumper"
kpd - February 17, 2012
and then as "Derrick Wade"
kpd - February 17, 2012
Colin Cowherd doesn't watch basketball outside the Lakers, the Heat, and highlight reels
I’m no brilliant tactician, but his NBA analysis is infantile, he has no understanding of the game outside simple statistics, and he has no appreciation for the game, period. (I’m not going to confuse “love of winners” with “love of the game.”) By his own admission he’s a football guy, and his radio show is a football show ten months out of the year. And while I guess I can summon up a miniscule amount of respect for someone who makes the number of bold, declarative statements he does, he’s so clearly interested in just stirring up dispute that I can’t tell where ESPN stops and the human being begins.
OwlNotebook - February 17, 2012
the same show that this segment is from
He said basketball was the most artistic sport there is. He’s football first but when your entire job relies on talking about sports I’m sure you know a thing or two about basketball.
MartyMondays - February 17, 2012
I remember hearing him talk about Dirk as an all-star
“now I don’t know the statistics, and I know people are going to point to numbers to say there are guys better than Dirk, but the guy is a champion and you have to take champions.” WTF? How are you a sports analyst and you don’t know basic statistics of like the top 5 PFs in the league?
TheHungarianJordan - February 17, 2012
"Big players tend to last longer"
I think Yao Ming begs to differ.
rsikes - February 17, 2012
People mentioning Cowherd or Bayless is about a million times worse than sin saying anything ever.
For shame.
Ozzie Montana - February 17, 2012
Michelle Beadle with sound off
Best ESPN program
BCs71 - February 17, 2012
her thoughts on sports are 10000x more intelligent than anything cowherd says
obnoxious american - February 21, 2012
This is spam
Option27 - February 17, 2012
I can't believe you like Cowherd
The guy is such a doofus. He says things just to piss people off. He will literally say one thing one day, then say the exact opposite a week later. He is probably one of the people I least respect in sports. I think you’re mistaking gutsy and speaks his mind with makes idiotic commentary in his spewed out convoluted stream of consciousness
TheHungarianJordan - February 17, 2012
Saying one thing one day and saying the exact opposite is pretty much the norm on ESPN.
In fact, they’d probably fire you if you reported and talked about things the way they are ‘in reality’ and not the way the company wants you to. Sensationalism, it’s all it is. Look at Tiger, look at Tebow. I am sure something about Tebow will come up in the next few months and they’ll try and bring him down, or they’ll keep trying to stuff him down our throats any which way they can.
BullsFan22 - February 18, 2012
I liked Colin when he was first on air, but I grew sick of him
Although his best topics are not about sports.
jrobulls - February 17, 2012
The only reason I like SportsNation is becaue of Michelle Beadle.
And that’s the only reason. Another ESPN program which has more or less become TMZ-like.
BullsFan22 - February 17, 2012
I love it
The same guys that spent 3 years bitching about Rose’s lack of efficiency because of him not getting to the line, are the same ones now worried about his durability and how small he is. Man whatever.
Dils - February 18, 2012
So let me get this straight..
Rose is reed thin. Hinrich is tall and lanky, but Wade is small. Thanks Colin. And a great big thanks to OP for giving us this crap.
D-Cas - February 19, 2012
Just a rule for all ESPN "analysts"
Most of their shows are scripted. They get one guy to argue in one direction and another to dispute him.
I think Cowherd is full of it, personally. He acts like he knows more than everyone else and states that “I don’t get caught up in feelings” bullshit every damn time.
Brigade17 - February 20, 2012
i hope that on SportsNation tommorrow that Beadle will guarentee to win the bet against cowherd
i’m so sick and tired that bayless and cowherd given the bulls so much hate that whoever faces them in either on first take that stephen a smith will give bayless a beatdown opinons on trash talking rose and the bulls.
stllcat7406 - February 20, 2012
the difference between cowherd and bayless
is that bayless criticizes Rose for doing too much. cowherd sometimes goes after Rose for seemingly doing too little. I remember Cowherd saying something ridiculous like Rose doesn’t have the competitive spirit in him and started listing off players like Rondo, LeBron, and Kobe as players who do have that fire. At least Skip acknowledges the fact that Rose is a guy who just wants to win more than anything else…but Skip hates the fact that he’s got no support behind him
ChicagoTsar - February 21, 2012
on the bet between beadle and cowherd
i’m hoping that beadle is going to win the bet against cowherd when the bulls and the heat collide again in the playoffs and this time the bulls will beat the heat.
stllcat7406 - February 20, 2012
Aren't we all hoping the Bulls beat the Heat?
tuluse - February 20, 2012
I think he basically thinks they are better than us now
They are deeper than us and shit…Until they play defense im not that worried about them…Yeah sin I said it
T.Moore - February 21, 2012
Cowherd is a total clown
Sometimes he goes out of his way to bash the Bulls, mainly because outside of Rose who he has this weird strange dislike for, they don’t have a real superstar. Cowherd even admitted over the radio that he cheers for the big name talent over the blue-collar, lunch pail guys. If you think about it, the Bulls are Derrick Rose + Lazy Boozer + Blue Collar Guys + john lucas
ChicagoTsar - February 21, 2012
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