SB Nation - Login for mobile commenting

Blog a Bull

Bulls vs. Kings: Derrick Rose out, Bulls re-sign Mike James

Derrick Rose didn't participate in shootaround, Thibs first said Rose was 'most likely' not playing, then ruled him officially out. Way to give up that tactical advantage against the Kings, Thibs.

I'm going to give Marc Stein firsties on the James news. For those that thought that James out-performed John Lucas III in his first stint here, you're likely correct, but Lucas has a guaranteed contract this year.

0 recs  |  89 comments

Comments

More time for JLIII!

more playing time for Lucas tonight with Rose out…check out this funny post I did about some of hilarious tweets, does anybody follow him on twitter? lol

http://www.thewindyapple.com/2012/02/14/shit-john-lucas-says/

I like how all of BaB refused to comment on the last "thread"
I actually closed it to comments

but good protest everyone

Actually impressed

Yfbb, that after the 2010 all star game this site didn’t become blog-a-bull brought to you by t-mobile, two places where you always get more.

Or something sad and sell-out-ish like that. Keep your head up. You’re no Matt Broderick

I don't know, based on their tweets it looks like Stein and KC Johnson

were on the same conference call.

Way to KC-bucket Stein's "firsty" glory.

Very meta of you.

Steiny-mo's tweet was first on my timeline.
Same here.

haha, KC :p

"Way to give up that tactical advantage against the Kings, Thibs."

Might as well just forfeit this shit.

Good

Mike Jaaaimes runs the offense better than Jean-Luc Trois…

Jean-Luc Trois

lol!

Who?
So anybody actually want Thibs to not coach the All-Star game?

I kinda wonder about his “keep everyone guessing” strategy and if he might want to not coach “the enemy” in the other East players. Even though it is all in fun.

this is how one coaches the asg

stand on the sideline of the asg

Im not sure if you're joking

But I’m sure there is very little coaching involved in “coaching” the all star game. He’ll probably just be making substitutions and whatnot.

Thibs would probably have a heart attack from the lack of defense
This is more what I'm thinking...
I'm praying he coaches more than anything

Seeing Rose, Deng and Thibs in the Orlando locker room together is as close to recruiting as we’re ever gonna get

Seeing how fragile and sensitive a lot of the stars are today,

that has as much of a chance of backfiring as it does of working, lol. Dwight might pee himself when Thibs starts yelling ICE ICE ICE ICE!!!!!!!!!!

hell no!

i want him to be the coach, then force lebron, hibbert, and pierce to play intense full court press defense and play 46 minutes while Luol and rose sit back and laugh their asses off

so is it possible for a 36yr old

to be the next jeremy lin?

So this is the official preview for tonight?

Not enough people signing up to write previews?

Let me at least drop these links:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/preview?gameId=320214004

“The Kings, who open a six-game road trip Tuesday, have averaged just 87.7 points while going 3-12 away from home.”

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2012/2/14/2797353/kings-vs-bulls-2012-schedule-preview

“But this first match, assuming Derrick Rose sits again, is a potential win …”

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bulls-confidential/2012/02/bulls-vs-kings-7pm-on-csn-rose-day-to-day-after-back-checks-out/

“Chicago could easily roll these guys if they get them discombobulated, but if the Kings get hot, they’re difficult to stop.”

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAC/2012.html

Mostly below average players on the Kings’ roster, and their record shows it, especially away from home. The Bulls should win even without Rose.

Also, I'll be keeping an eye on the Heat at the Pacers,

or at least recording it for later.

I think I'd rather have CJ Watson than Evans

http://bkref.com/tiny/DwAtS

He scores more efficiently, gets more assists, plays better defense and turns the ball over about same all with similar usage.

You'd rather have CJ than Tyreke?

Ok……..

You're crazy

I love CJ, but Tyreke is a great player. I just don’t know if he’s best suited for the role on his team of being the creator, he might be better as a 2.

Man, you're just as extreme as tuluse.

Tyreke isn’t worse than CJ, but he’s definitely not a “great player.” He’s a pretty good 1-2 hybrid who is best slashing to the hoop and in transition and struggles shooting from beyond the free throw line.

It’s not a great comp, but I think of him as the Josh Smith of point guards. Now, Smith is a better defender than Tyreke, but both have similar offensive profiles, poor shooters, great slashers and finishers, good size and athleticism for their positions.

But you’re right, Tyreke is miscast currently as a PG with the Kings. He needs to play more minutes as a 2 but won’t be that good of a 2 guard until he can consistently shoot from outside; his shot is awful.

yeah not a player I would want to build around

you see a lot of guys like that, who appear to be talented but then you realize you cant imagine quite how they fit into a team. I see Jeff Green that way, a guy who has no natural position. they have to be in the perfect situation to reach their potential.

At some point, CJ will stop shooting 45% from 3-pt land, and those numbers will even out a little bit.
He's also shooting way worse from 2 point range than he normally does
He's shooting just as well from 2-point range this year as he did last year

Bottom line is he’s never played this well before, so I’m very reluctant to believe that it’ll hold up.

His FG%, TS%, and eFG% are all below his career average

If anything last year is what looks like the outlier.

Right, but I think that's a product of no longer playing Nellieball.

He’s never sustained close to a 24% USG before. I’m skeptical that he can keep that up while remaining efficient.

He could lose a lot of efficiency and still be more efficient than Evans.

It’s kind of funny how perceptions lag for players. Since Evans was a high lottery pick and had one good year, he must be good. Since CJ was undrafted and comes off the bench (now behind the league MVP I might add) he must be bad.

Statistically, there is a lot of evidense CJ is the better player.

yeah did they not watch

the bulls pound 4 straight teams by 20 points, the latter 3 with a combined 30 minutes from rose?

As long as Cousins doesn't go off, we should be fine.

CJ should go back to scoring now that he’s playing some bums and the defense should be fine against this iso-heavy offense.

More James, less Lucas please!

This...

even I know what Lucas is gonna do…dribble between his legs coupla times and if no one is wide open right in front of his eyes, shoot.

and nail the 3!!!!!

awww yeah

Guys and gals, I'll say it here as we play another patsy tonight

Watching us struggle against good teams, AT THIS POINT, we are not going to go to the Finals. Our bigs, Booze, Noah, Omer, Taj, im not gonna say they stink, but when they are matched up against someone even close to their size and ability, they will not outperform their counterpart.

Team ball will get the Bulls one win over the Heat, Sixers, Pacers, Orlando
To get 3 more wins? Rose will have to play out of his mind. Maybe he can get 2……

DO you expect anyone else to play above his average game? To win the conference series we need players to put a string of great games together.

Will Taj get 12 and 10 in 28 minutes?

Can Omer get 10 and 12 in a game?

Will Boozer drop 30 and 10 on the Heat?

Can KK get 20 pts in a game on the road in Miami?

The Bulls, if Rip is healthy,

have a great shot at getting to and winning the finals. Now, if Rose has a better series this time around against Miami, AND Rip is healthy, I’d say the Bulls have a better shot at beating Miami than the other way around.

i dont know dakoose

I thought our bigs were our advantage, but it looks like Bosh, Haslem, and company can neutralize them, leaving our only chance for Derrick to go crazy 2-3 times

Miami is playing unbelievable ball right now

that depends on whether rip is healthy (knock on wood)

he helps space the floor really well and if we can give booz and noah to do their thing, then im confident they can put up respectable numbers which wiould be enough to beat the heat.

I recently re-watched the conference finals

For as much as it was made out that Lebron played lockdown defense on Rose, Rose kept getting by Lebron but couldn’t get by Wade who was always lurking right behind Lebron since Brewer or Bogans couldn’t shoot. If Rip is healthy then they definitely have a good shot since he can also defend Wade, which Korver could not leaving Rose to doing all the backcourt work.

yeah, and rip really seems to frustrate wade

you could see it even with rip’s one legged performance against them 2 weeks ago.

No shit, Rose is hurt
AT THIS POINT, we are not going to go to the Finals.
ill said it before and ill say it for the last time, record against the GOOD TEAMS DONT MEAN SHIT!

last yr our record was great aaginst the good teams, but what happened? thats right, got sent home by the motha fuckin heat who had a worse record than us against the good teams.

You watched the bulls struggle against the Celtics

WITHOUT THE STARTING BACKCOURT. And the bigs played well in that game (minus Boozer’s always terrible defense)

i dont think Omer ever has to score in double figures for us to win a game

it will be enough if he plays his usual game and finishes under the hoop once or twice instead of turning it over. also, if everyone’s playing decently, about 12 points is all korver should ever need, and 30 and 10 is a lot to ask from boozer. Unless you’re talking about each of these guys carrying terrible games from teammates, I just dont think that kind of production is necessary to beat even the Heat.

With our defense I assume, in general, that if we score 100 points we will win the game. So far this year it’s been entirely true, and last year we only lost 4 times in regulation and once in overtime when scoring 100 points. So if everybody scores their current averages in a playoff game, we get:

Rose 22
Deng 15.6
Booz 15.4
Rip 14.2
Watson 10.4
Noah 9.3
Kyle 7.8
Brew 7.5

…and we’re already over 100 before we get to taj and omer. these are skewed because we have hamilton’s average plus the averages of guys (brew, korver) who have played more while he’s out, and CJ’s number is definitely inflated with rose missing time, same for brewer and deng. and obv the bench plays less in the playoffs. i don’t think that lowers the total, though, considering our bench.

the point is, as constructed, we can score more than enough to win if even if most of our guys have average games. I have no doubt that rose is going to score more than 22 several times against the Heat or anyone else.

all this team needs is to be healthy to have a damn good shot at anyone in the league.

should have added that we didnt lose at all in the playoffs when scoring 100, although it only happened 3 times
disagree

average will not cut it in the playoffs.

some guys won’t hit the average, thats when we will need 25 ,( yeah 30 is a miracle) from Booze, or 28 from Deng or 20 from Korver off the bench.

I’ve always said a Bulls/Heat game is 50/50, so i hope i’m wrong, our bigs are giant kitty cats when met with resistance form good players

We lost in the playoffs because we couldn't take care of the ball.

AND we choked at the end of those games (certainly in game 5 vs the Heat), AND the refs had a clear bias (it’s never easy playing 5 vs 8), AND Lebron, for once, played well in the latter stages. There are some other, lesser factors, but that would be pretty boring to write and it’s water under the bridge, sooooo..

I took your idea and went an extra step

I took all the per 36 min points off basketball reference, made up my own numbers for how many minutes I expect each player to play when everyone is healthy and divided pp36 by 36 and multipled by my minutes to create adjusted points per game.

Player…………PP36….Min….APPG
Carlos Boozer…..15.4….30….15.3
Ronnie Brewer……7.5….20….5.7
Kyle Korver……..7.8….11….3.7
Omer Asik……….3.5….18….4.0
Joakim Noah……..9.2….30….9.5
Taj Gibson………7.1….18….6.7
Luol Deng………15.6….40….16.4
Derrick Rose……22.0….40….24.8
C.J. Watson…….10.5…..8….3.8
Richard Hamilton..14.2….25….11.5

It adds up to 101.3 points.

I probably gave Boozer and Brewer too many minutes and Rip, CJ, and Korver too few, but I think for a rough estimate it works pretty well.

Shit, I copied something wrong

Here is the correct numbers (all my pp36 didn’t copy right, minutes and APPG were still right).

Carlos Boozer….18.4….30….15.3
Ronnie Brewer….10.2….20….5.7
Kyle Korver….12.1….11….3.7
Omer Asik….7.9….18….4.0
Joakim Noah….11.4….30….9.5
Taj Gibson….13.4….18….6.7
Luol Deng….14.8….40….16.4
Derrick Rose….22.3….40….24.8
C.J. Watson….17.1….8….3.8
Richard Hamilton….16.5….25….11.5

if my quick math was right, that's 100.5 points now.

those mpg numbers look pretty good to me playoff-wise, with only maybe korver being a little low IMO. it’s a simple concept, but i’d say the reasonable ability to squeeze 100 pts out of that group of defensive savants is a pretty good sign

Yes

Yes, yes, yes, and yes. =)

Lucas contract guaranteed

Isn’t it only guaranteed because we didn’t cut him like two weeks ago when we had a chance. I really don’t know why we didn’t cut him then and sign a legitimate threat at PG. Lucas isn’t interested in doing anything but shot, and is a disgrace on defense. Sorry for the rant but he is one bull I truly hate.

Is there a preview to tonight's game or do the Kings suck enough that we don't need one??
Um I think this is the preview.
You mean on tv?

Nope. WCIU right now

I don't care who the fuck we've played

20 of 30 on the road to start a season, with our injuries, and to go 23-7 is fuckin fantabulous.

I agree

I thought for awhile that we had played more away games than Clippers played total games at one point. We’ve seen how the product works when its all together. The problem is, getting everyone healthy at the right time. With the exception of Boozer last year, everyone was relatively healthy (except I think Noah with his thumb injury).

20 of 30 on the road would be awesome
?

Don’t get it…..

If we were to win 20 out of 30 on the road for the year.
we're pretty much exactly on that pace
Yup

14-6 ain’t too shabby

I guess the Kings broadcast couldn't edit out the Rose highlights before tonight's game.
does boozer's "hair" get its own intro?
His real hair

still lives with his mother.

You must Login with your SB Nation account and be a member of Blog a Bull to post a comment.