Boozer 22 and 7 on 9-for-16 in 35 minutes, Noah 16 and 9 in 36, Deng 10 and 5 in 43 minutes, CJ shoots 8-for-23 from the field, bench shoots 6-for-23. Whose fault? Boozer’s, of course.
we invest by watching, by going to games, don't we?
His contract makes signing anyone else practically impossible. The Bulls signed him to be a 2nd scoring option, but he is our 3rd best scorer on his best day.
Listen, we had cap space and our options were either Boozer, Amare, David Lee, or sit on cap space
We kind of had to sign Booz for the money. Yeah, he’s overpaid but so what. At least we didn’t get one of the other guys and Boozer is really not that bad. He’s the best of what our poor options were.
That is true, but what matters now is that we may be handcuffed by salary. It prevents any other signings we may want to make
And I speak fearfully here. Efforts like today’s game won’t cut it. My problem with Booz is that he just isn’t consistent anywhere on the court. Sometimes he scores 25, sometimes 8. Sometimes he plays defense, others he looks like a cardboard cutout.
It is just frustrating.
And you are completely right. I spoke out of that frustration, but he gets exposed badly when he becomes our first offensive option
Bullshit. He’s an extremely versatile scorer and a great passer. If anything, his problem is that he’s not good enough at any one thing to consistently create buckets.
I will admit he is a good passer and I wrote this when I was angry (I really have got to stop doing that) but the fact remains that he is not as good as many would hope he would be. His “versatile scoring” has been reduced to outside jumpers against elite defenders. Part of that is just age. It isn’t a huge deal. But my beef with Booz is the beef I have with Korver; either score better or play defense. Korver has done that. His D has improved. He used to be a liability in games where he didn’t score, but now he is holding his own out there on the defensive side of the court. Boozer has also had his good defensive games here and there, but not against good opponents. If he ain’t scoring, and he ain’t defending, he shouldn’t be out there.
My frustration with him goes beyond this game. He’s streaky on both ends of the court nowadays, and Bulls’ fans should expect consistently at the very least for a man making 7 figures per year. Your last point makes that argument and I agree 100%. Just remember that this thread comes after a Bulls’ loss which rarely happens these days. I, along with several others need to learn to shut up and mull over our words a bit more, but it probably won’t happen. Take everything with a grain of salt, ’kay?
And that was the only positive I saw from him today
But did you notice they never helped on him? They know he cannot beat them for a full 48 minutes. And he shouldn’t have to, to be honest. Especially with Rose healthy. Here comes that word I’ve used about 10 times already…it’s just frustrating.
Rose causes chaos for opposing teams, but Boozer causes Bulls’ fans to lose their minds, causes the team’s defense (much like an AIDS victim) to crumble, AND makes me sad.
when someone else is experencing chaos, you may benefit. Why are we arguing this, again? Oh right, because I made a shitty comparison just to see all the grief I’d get.
I think a big problem is exactly what Sam Smith wrote about
People see Boozer for his flaws instead of what he brings to the table.
He leads a comeback from 12 down when the game seems out of hand and people see ONE play, calling timeout when CJ was open down the sideline. Not to mention there’s not even a guarantee CJ was scoring on that play.
People were all over CJ and Taj. Deng was getting some as well, but he didn’t deserve it as bad Booz, CJ or Taj, as he was checking Pierce damn well all game long.
Deng is either 1 or 1a in terms or the team’s defense, and he’s the team’s best one on one defender too. Noah was great too, but Deng still had a positive impact on the game, in my opinion.
When the fuck is the blame gonna shift from someone other than Boozer? If he has a good game, we look for reasons why he had a bad one. If he has a bad one, everyone piles on him at once. Can anyone agknowledge the fact that people have good and bad games, and today, Booz was NOT one of the bad games, and CJ/Lu were the people with bad games?
Van Gundy correctly pointed out that a coach can not tolerate his type of lazy effort. He also caused several costly turnovers in the 2nd half. He was terrible today.
I think you're basing that off of JVG highlighting a couple plays when it happened to Booz...
Brew has done the same thing several times this year. Happens to everyone. I don’t think it’s a lack of hustle, he just can’t find his guy until he’s already sprinted past him.
No, he consistently backs away or turns away from contact when someone is driving the lane.
Today was worse than usual. I’m really not a Boozer basher and he probably takes more heat on this site than deserved but I thought he was God awful today on defense and clumsy in the paint.
I'm not gonna defend his poor defense, but it's not through a lack of hustle IMO, he just doesn't get it.
And the reason the Bulls lost this game wasn’t because of Boozer’s defense, especially considering the fact that he nearly single handedly carried the offensive load.
Second, this is just my opinion, while it does look like he didn’t hustle on that play (I presume you’re talking about the one alley-oop), I think he was looking for his man (I believe it was Wilcox), turned around to find him, and then he sprinted right past him. Just my opinion.
and I think that even Boozer’s worst haters can agree that he’s trying. I never saw Boozer hold his head down and apologize to Jo last season, and it seems like he’s doing it all the time now. His defense, though still bad, is better than from last year’s atrocity.
I also like that his screaming has also improved. I suspect he must’ve practiced it diligently in the offseason while he was on that diet. My favorite play of the game: Boozer jumps for a rebound that ricochets in a weird direction off the rim, and well after the ball passes his outstretched arm he shouts “GIMME DAT SHIT” anyway, as if his screaming is magnetic and can somehow direct the ball back to him.
Boozer could easily have a LeBron attitude about all the hatred directed towards him and say FU, I’m doing my thing and I don’t care what anyone else has to say about it. He got his big payday, and could there’s really nothing stopping him from coasting for the rest of his career.
The fact of the matter is that Boozer is not doing any of this. He knows he was a disappointment last year, came to camp in incredible shape and a totally revamped body when others were eating their way out of the league, and has committed to trying to get better.
He doesn’t complain in the media, doesn’t use injury as an excuse, is a team first guy, and seems to legitimately care about doing whatever he can to help this team win.
You act like Boozer is doing us a favor or something. Man you Boozer apologist are on a roll. We’re trying to win a damn Championship. Who gives a damn about how he takes criticism? He’s not getting dogged by local and national media because he’s an unlikable guy. He’s getting dogged for a reason.
That reason is that he isn’t a great player when it matters. Just like I said the other day when Korver was getting his rocks off against the Hornets and crap teams while running from the ball and clanking when it matters. These guys need to show that they can play championship caliber basketball. If they can’t then it’s a flawed team.
Let’s get this straight for good.Boozer’s point production and rebounding will never make up for the mental errors and lack of defense he shows on the court against good teams. So I wish the Boozer protection agency would quit popping up every damn time he fills a stat sheet with decent numbers against average to bad competition. Every knows it, including him that he needs to step up.
If you're expecting Boozer to perform perfectly on every play
You are always going to be disappointed in his production, or anyone else’s for that matter. To say that he will never be good enough for you, no matter how hard he tries, is telling. Everyone makes mistakes in every game. All you can ask is that players learn from their mistakes and try to get better, which is what Boozer is trying to do. The same is true of life.
Why do you guys keep making this a strawman argument?
No one said Boozer has to be perfect or that anyone expects everyone to be. Also this isn’t some vendetta against him. The guy is not a victim. It’s about what this Bulls team needs to win a title. Here you have a guy who only plays well against bums and even when doing that, is prone to make the type of mental errors that can lose games.
That play where he didn’t push the ball ahead to CJ was huge and did help lose the game. As a rebounder to knows damn well he needs to know where the outlet pass is or if there’s a chance to push the ball ahead for an easy bucket. He calls a timeout. He did the same crap in the playoffs with his dumb flagrant fouls.
This isn’t about life. It’s not that deep. It’s about putting the best team on the court to win a title. I honestly debate if this is a guy you can win a ring with.
Let’s get this straight for good.Boozer’s point production and rebounding will never make up for the mental errors and lack of defense he shows on the court against good teams.
Since I’m directly addressing something you wrote, I don’t think it’s a strawman argument, but I respect how you’d interpret it that way since I admit I was getting a bit deep there. Personally I do think lessons in sports are applicable to life, but that’s pretty OT and neither here nor there.
To clarify, the main point I was trying to make is that I believe that Boozer can and is improving. He certainly did made a mistake, but he did a lot of things right in that game too and he should get credit for the good and the bad.
I also believe that it matters that he is trying, and that he is actually improving too. That should not be overlooked. I HATED Boozer last year and was one of those fans screaming at him during that playoff run, but this year I can see that he’s different.
I disagree with writing him off completely as someone who simply can’t win, but that’s a matter of opinion in which I think that neither one of us can really say that we’re right or wrong.
It's not even that he's that bad defensively, he's just slow as all fuck
People need to realize this. The dude is limited physically. A lot of the times he’s not going for the block just because he knows he’ll get called for a foul. He’s not a great defender. This should not be news. He does ok because he’s a pretty good positional defender, and he’s a damn good defensive rebounder.
Offensively, there were stretched that he completely carried us. He brings a lot to the table. I totally understand why people want to criticize him at times, but I don’t understand why we constantly have to dwell on his shortcomings. As much as you might not want to believe it, there really aren’t that many power forwards in the league that are better than Carlos Boozer. And I can promise you, our record would not be what it has been the past two years if he sucked as much as people on this board think
It's like people forget he was a longshot 2nd round pick when he was drafted
and this was off a big time team at Duke! All the haters can see are the dollars and assume he’s spoiled or something. Boozer obviously had to work his butt off to get to where he is today. He has always had these limitations, most 2nd rounders do, but no matter what he does and how hard he works, he will always be criticized for what he is not.
But the majority of his points came only because the Bulls took long jumpers, missed, and Rondo got out in transition. In addition, most nba pg’s can torch a pg rotation of cj and JL3
Not all of that came in transition. Besides, a lot of what did come in transition was directly caused by Rondo himself. He was very active defensively and helped force a bunch of turnovers.
And am not shy about saying it! By the way this game falls on cj in my opinion. Paul pierce actually ended the game with less points than deng, as an indication of how the latter played defensively. Boozer played about as efficiently on offense as we could hope for and Noah gave us great energy. Cj scored a lot of points but took a lot of shots to get there and made some boneheaded decisions during the game, especially in the last few seconds.
Lol…way to see people go crazy over a roseless loss, after the last game of a 9 game road trip, about a game with a few more shots falling we win easy.
When their guards go for 43 points,17 asts and 10 rebs, sure you can blame your front court for not rotating and allowing a PG to score in the paint and get to the line 22 damn times.
and Kyle Fucking Korver on the floor. We pay Kyle 5 million dollars a year just to shoot threes, but CJ just really liked 20 foot fadeaway with a hand in his face. There was no way he was gonna pass that up.
Maybe he felt like because the Bulls had no timeouts left, it was strategically worth it to go for the tie instead of being down one, and he wanted to leave as much time as possible for a second chance at winning in case the Bulls missed the shot.
The more time the Bulls take there, the worse position they put themselves in with no timeouts, regardless of if they score or not.
The thing that really killed the play was CJ’s foot being on the line though; it completed defeated the purpose of the play.
I watched the replay on NBA.com and I think my initial analysis was right
The Bulls had the ball with ~26 seconds and no timeouts left.
Assuming they take their time and go for 2, the Celtics have the ball with <24 seconds and a 1 point lead, so the Bulls have to foul.
But then what? The Celtics are likely to make two free throws and the lead is back to three, but the Bulls are in even worse shape than before because they have no timeout to draw up a play and have to hope for the best on a forced 3.
Even probably best case scenario the Celtics split their free throws, you’re scrambling to score two to tie (which you could’ve done anyway with CJ’s 3), and we all know the Bulls have no one that can create their own shot when DRose is out.
If the Bulls shoot a very quick 3 there, they are putting themselves in the best position to win the game outright given the situation in the game. In fact, they can tie there, have the Celtics miss while they try to run out the clock, and STILL have a chance to win with a few seconds left for their last possession.
It’s a terrible situation to be in any way you look at it, but you need a quick 3, Korver’s going to be guarded heavily in the first few seconds of that inbounds play, and CJ is your next best 3 point shooter.
He still totally messed up by toe-ing the line though. I bet Thibs was pissed.
guarding rondo so damn close at the 3pt line….why? guard him at 20 ft and under, not above…they should have stayed low made kg more inefficient, and kept penetration down….that was a huge huge flaw in the coaching plan…..let rondo beat you with a jumper…he cant…
I don’t really know why Boozer was in the game instead of Noah late either. That Pierce elbow jumper was the dagger and it was possible cause boozer never hedges.
I don’t really know why Boozer was in the game instead of Noah late either. That Pierce elbow jumper was the dagger and it was possible cause boozer never hedges.
Whats really great tho, the bulls were always within striking distance, as bad as we shot we had a chance to take the lead at the end. Without rose, even struggling, were a legit team.
nice to see everyone cranky and flipping out after one loss
I swear the fans on this forum want to jump off a cliff everytime we lose. It happens guys. Yeah, CJ had a bad game. It’s not OMFG CJ WATSON IS THE WORST PLAYER EVER WTF!!!!!!!!!!! Give the guy a break, Rondo is a good defender and the C’s play great team D.
Have to agree. This loss, in and of itself, was not that painful
A couple plays were painful, but I’ll get over this one quickly. In fact, I’m already over it. The scary thing hovering over this team remains to be, health. I’m basically done giving a shit about seeding. I do think it will be important, but unfortuntatley, we have much bigger things to worry about at the moment
Im pretty sure Charlotte fans don’t freak out after a loss because I doubt any human being has the energy to do that 4 times a week. Also, I’m pretty sure Miami fans don’t frak out after a loss, but that is only because Miami fans don’t realize they played.
if what he needs is a week, and didn’t take it when we were playing the hornets and nets. but at this rate i’ll be thankful if he only needs a damn week…
I'm gonna stop semi-trolling and just blame my frustration to losing to the Boston Martians
but yeah, the C’s are still a good defense. W/o Rose, no one can create their own shot. It was just annoying and we pick out Booz and CJ and all the others who played bad, but in reality, we know what our team is. Nothing today suprised me. We had been feasting on really poor competition so far without Rose, but facing an above average team, we are in trouble.
So whatever. Someone give Rose an ice pack and hopefully he’s ready in a few days.
i like all of our players, i don’t want us to make any trades, i hate the knicks, i don’t care who the knicks have on their team, i think we can beat the heat. is that enough?
I think what I said is realistic, as opposed to everything sin says. Seriously, we are 5-2 w/o Rose, but the two losses are to the Grizzlies and the Celtics, both playoff teams. We would be damn close to .500 without Rose
They have the talent to be very good. Just most of that talent is old and they lack depth.
They can beat anyone, even the Bulls and Heat at full strength, in a single game. But they won’t win a lot of games during the season or beat the Bulls or Heat in a 7 game series.
And yet the Bulls lost only by 4 on the road without Rose. Boston earned the win without a doubt, but it also serves to remind me just how awesome this Bulls team is. Hell, if CJ just played an average game there’s a good chance the Bulls would have won it. So I feel pretty good.
yeah I'm actually not feeling too bad about this one
I do feel however that Cj made a selfish play at the end and that’s one thing I really dont like. I also think getting an offensive talent at the trade deadline would be nice.
But I kind of feel like Brewer doesn’t have much of a purpose on this team. I think Jimmy Butler basically takes care of his job and is better offensively. Maybe we could use him with a pick for an offensive player.
Not surprised or really disappointed by the loss, but a couple frustrating moments
1) Why didn’t Thibs sub in Noah before CJ’s 2nd free throw? He had done it with Deng at the line a minute before, and the team’s best chance at a win was a missed free throw and offensive rebound. Noah is an elite offensive rebounder who already had 4 in the game. It seemed like a glaring oversight at the time, and then CJ missed the free throw and the Bulls didn’t have anyone on the floor who could make a play to tip the ball.
2) The inbounds play creating CJ’s off-balanced non-3 was a team failure, but on the replay I was annoyed at how weakly Boozer tried to screen Pietrus. Following an afternoon of Garnett stepping out and laying his shoulder into Bulls on screens and blocking their path, Boozer stayed in the lane and just kinda moved his arm a bit, resulting in Pietrus not having to break stride to get out to CJ at the arc. With a decent screen, that’s probably an open look for the tie.
There’s a lot of luck involved in who wins and loses in close games. We’re talking about a lot of games that are decided by <2 points. It’s variance. In these situations, coin flip plays like where a ball bounces or even a single call by a referee can completely change the outcome of the game.
Atlanta we didn’t have Rip (he wouldn’t have a mad a difference anyway….)
Memphis no DRose
Indiana no Lu
Miami no Lu
Philly no Lu or Rip
Today no DRose or Rip
I don't even need to check, because it doesn't matter
I think it’s pretty clear that, when we’re entirely healthy, we’re as good or better than any team in the league.
Now, it might not matter because we we may just never get healthy, but it’s still a damn good roster, and we don’t have that much to complain about in that regard
I think if we had Mike James instead of John Lucas
CJ wouldn’t have needed to play 38 minutes. Lucas is just terrible. I defended him missing those free throws in Denver last year, but his play this year leads me to think he should be out of the league. He is a point guard who can’t pass. Seriously, whenever they run the pick and roll he just forces a shot. He never looks to pass or is unable to pass to the screener. His court vision for a point guard is atrocious.
I love Brewer and I know its not his fault he can’t keep his elbow straight, but it just makes him a complete liability. I’ve noticed he bulked up too. I dunno if its just me but he seems less athletic and as a defensive specialist that’s not good.
not as consistent as it was when it started the season, but, it’s super hard to change form more than 25 years into your life. I give him credit, and he still does it from time to time.
Maybe reeeeeaaallllyyy slowly, but they will never be close.
I’m not sure if anyone here confuses my Boozer love with Taj hate, but honestly, I love Taj, and if Taj was ever going to develop a good offensive game, he would have done it already. All I’ve seen from him this season is bad passes, missed jumpers, and poor decision making (on the offensive, not defensive, end).
CJ just looked awful the entire time. He had no feel for the game at all today. Every time we closed on the C’s, he would just chuck up a 3 because he felt like it.
I was really hoping to see Rose today, as it’s not very often I get the chance to see the Bulls while here in Boston. Oh well.
originally i wasn’t going to be in town for that one and ended up being. but i mean i’d rather see no rose than a hobbled one. but i did of course wish he were playing.
If boozer would just commit to anything on defense, our team defense would be so much better. Its like he finds this center space between almost committing to stepping up on the roller, but then he plays it off like he cant leave his man. And then he just stays in this space where he’s totally useless on help defense.
If boozer was forced to switch off on defense like noah does. It would force Boozer to commit. I wouldnt mind if he just got beat one on one. It just hurts to see his help defense be so horrible. In a close game, if the opposing team needs a score they attack boozer with the pick and roll and it works everytime. Maybe having him switch and then allowing others to help would work. Him helping is becoming too big a liability.
First of all, if you’re gonna go with the “you win and lose as a team” argument, you forfeit the right to criticize any individual player. You can’t have it both ways.
Also, attributing 25 baskets to Boozer’s defense is a gross exaggeration. Finally, it’s a lot easier to make a layup than it is to prevent one.
perhaps I get a bit…all over the place (I AM an sports fan, after all) so let me clarify my stance.
1) I will call out any player for any extrordinary play, either good or bad. Boozer was extrordinarily bad on defense several times today, just like CJ was really bad with that shot with less than a minute to go. His offense was what we expect from him.
2) However, a win or loss can never be defined by one play in either direction, like you tried to attribute to Taj. Anyone could have made a play to win us that game, or to turn the game into a blowout.
3) This is Blogabull…exaggeration is our creed.
4) I would debate that last point. An OPEN layup is easier to make than to contest a layup, but a contested one (like the ones Taj shot, though he really should have hit them) is much more difficult.
Back to Boozer, today might’ve been Boozer’s best offensive performance all season, given that it was really the first time he had a great time against a truly great defensive team. Most importantly, he was consistently getting inside shots. I think that’s extremely encouraging given how much he’s settled for jumpshots this year.
It may be, and like I said down lower on this thread, we'll see, I guess
I like the guy, I really do. I just get frustrated by his inconsistent play and how much his salary handicaps the team. It’s the organizations fault for offering that much anyway, even though they were forced to.
I said the “ones” Taj shot, not one, but you get it.
11 of Boozer’s 16 shots came in the paint today. And the Celtics are as good a defensive team as there is. Say what you want about his defense, but you could’ve not have reasonably asked for a better performance offensively out of Boozer.
I’ve been wanting to ask this girl out for two weeks, but wanted to wait until after V-day, to avoid that ‘we went on a few dates and im sorta into you, but its too soon to do anything for valentines’ type thing.
if i’m lucky, or more if they match up to the playoffs… i do often get to go to the UC when i am in chicago, but i probably won’t be before the season is over this year. so i certainly don’t get to go much either. kinda sucks cause rip didn’t play in either game in boston. i should have gone to the other one at least to see rose though…
1) transition defense was terrible. everyone was a factor in this
2) deng being a nonfactor – i’m surprised he even got 12 shots up. it barely felt like he touched the ball.
3) that watson play down 3 with like 24 seconds left or whatever – one of the stupidest things i’ve ever seen.
4) rondo actually hit 10-13 FTs. on a normal day he would have hit 7. heh.
guys boozer was NOT to blame in this game. at all. our offense was working the best when we went through him, we needed it badly.
i mean the bulls are on the last game of a 9 game road trip without their best player. that’s exactly what they looked like out there and still only lost by 4 points.
dude i was sitting in front of the most annoying guy ever. funniest part was when he was like “that’s a horrible shot” and then korver’s 3 went in. he was speechless for a few moments haha.
i kind of wish at the end rose would have just come in haha. it would have been a mindfuck even if he could barely walk. ;) no really though. although it was pretty amusing to hear the scal chants start up when they got up like 11 or 12 or whatever and then shut up as soon as the bulls cut it to 6.
honestly not sure it was a worse game than the ones (including game 2 of the 09 playoffs) that i’ve seen them lose at the buzzer. those are really rough.
i’ve had a bit of a losing streak at the garden though. i think the last time i saw the bulls beat the celtics in person was when the celtics sucked. i’ve been to other games though at the UC that they’ve won since then at least. it just makes me want to go again when i can see a fully healthy team! dunno if i’ll be able to arrange that though.
There are plenty of fingers to be pointed for the lost of this game, but it was an overall team lost. Some players, such as Boozer and CJ, could not make plays down the stretch but I don’t blame them. Rondo let off the entire game going for a triple double. Where was Rose defense? The blame is so quick to be blamed on the roll players when the stars don’t hold up the their end of the bargin.
The Bulls will learn from this game and more people have to step up during crunch time.
9 games. the celtics are also gone for like 2 weeks because of disney on ice. guess how long their road trip is? 5 games, because it falls over the ASG!!!
actually, they do have an 8 game road trip in march
not sure what is going on here then. but man. they did luck out not getting 2 lengthy road trips then. they do have a really road heavy schedule for the second half. glad that isn’t us!
Fortunately, we don’t need him to do that for the long term. He’s great for what he is; a combo guard who can run point for 8-12 minutes a game and play the 2 when teams try to trap Derrick.
CJ really sucked tonight, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
replacing the mvp… we are spoiled watching derrick so seeing cj not perform like that, it seems like he sucks. now i mean who is jeremy lin replacing? no one lol. may i remind everyone that cj has been perfectly capable of scoring 40 in a game.
cj has a tough job because hes not a real point guard
we should have a decent back up point guard who actually can run an offense.
cj is more of those SG in a PG body type players and thats why he struggles to make plays.
it really bothers me that we continue to waste away our draft picks on retarded guy instead of trying to fill out roster depth at positions we needed. (ex. SG or back PG)
This Lin thing of yours is just gonna get old, jut like the Melo crap. CJ has produced all season long. Lin has had what, four games? You can find some stretches of 4 games for CJ where he was damn good too.
Furthermore, as long as we are focusing on what CJ did in just today’s game (that’s right, today’s game still just counts for one), let’s focus on Lin’s last game. I don’t give a shit if the Knicks won, he played a garbage game. 8-24 for 20 points and 8 turnovers. Wow, ya he’s a awesome though. I have some evidence that CJ is better than Lin, what he’s produced has happened over the course of more than 4 goddamn games. We can’t even discuss Lin as a player yet because he has no experience. If the guy is doing this 20 games down the road, then absolutely, let’s give the guy all the credit in the world. It’s been a great stretch for him, but Jesus Christ CJ had one bad game at a bad time. Derrick dropped 4 shitty games last year against Miami and he is still fucking awesome. Drop the bits because you continually look stupid.
watch it live it just felt like he wasn't involved at all
pierce did only have 9 pts though. he did theoretically perform better than pierce except on shooting %. hard to believe. i actually can’t believe he took 12 shots – didn’t feel like it at all.
luol was not good but neither was his counterpart. it was basically a wash there. it was all about the transition d. it was fucking terrible – and that’s everyone’s fault.
including the celtics again and the hawks, but we almost beat the celtics today, i could see us able to pull it out at home, and the hawks well… you never know what you’re gonna get with those guys. and the other three, well we’ve already beaten 2 of them without derrick.
i missed all the reporting cause i was actually there.
yikes. but i mean all this traveling can’t possibly help either. it’ll be good to get the guys home and him into some treatment where he doesn’t have to worry about being on a damn plane every other day. this’ll get his toe some rest too so maybe he won’t be compensating too much with his back once he returns.
And I’ve been hating on him this thread and the last thousand as well, but it really just boils down to this; he isn’t what we had hoped he would be when we signed him. He isn’t as good as his contract would make him seem.
He cannot be trusted to be a primetime offensice preformer when it counts. We have to go to Rose, Deng, or an open Korver for that.
Booz is what he is – a streaky shooter, a mediocre athlete who has problems that are difficult to hide on defense, but he can get hot and really help the team. His rebounding is a saving grace, and he does communicate and support his teammates well. Sometimes that can be all the difference. We’ll see, I guess.
Honestly I used to have a lot more respect for Doug
but lately he’s been one of those guys that just throws his opinions out there without much evidence to back it up. I’d have to see exactly what he said, but my initial reaction is what the hell is he talking about?
Sam Smith wrote a highly rec-ed article about how Boozer is EXACTLY what the Bulls had hoped to pay for. Also I’m looking at their career numbers now, and none of the advanced metrics are similar at all.
To top it all off, Eddy Curry was a good player before he got paid and stopped trying. He admitted multiple times that he didn’t enjoy playing basketball, and essentially just did it for the money. He was a lottery pick who pissed away his career by not caring at all. Quite frankly, other than being low post scorers who shoot at a high percentage, a good thing I might add, I cant’ see the comparison between Boozer, who worked his ass off, and continues to do so, and Curry, who ate his ass off, at all.
Carlos Boozer’s basketball IQ is leagues above Eddy Curry’s. Curry never knew how to pass, how to properly set screens, and how to cut to the basket, all things that Boozer does extremely well.
if Rondo actually had any scoring skills beyond hitting layups, he should be going for 30 and 15 every night with the way defenses guard him. It’s pathetic that this guy can’t get 20 ppg despite being given wide open free throw area jumpers all game long. He’s a good player, but holy hell I can’t wait until he gets put in a situation where he’s gotta be a big time scorer for his team to win night in and night out. It may never come to that, but I sure hope it does.
Wow between CJ,Deng, and Boozer
I don’t know where to start.
Dils - February 12, 2012
cj
no booz fault
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
Love da bulls
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Dear Boozer,
I hate you
Sincerely,
Saukrates
Saukrates - February 12, 2012
PS. Brigade17 hates you as well, regardless of my sig.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Start with cj, he was horrible all game
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
blame game
A) Lucas
B) Boozer
C)Cj
D)Deng
i choose B) cuz that outlet pass was…..
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
B) Carlos Fuck-face
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
I don't get it
what the hell has lucas done to remain on A roster? he is so inept in a game of organized basketball it aint funny.
Saukrates - February 12, 2012
everything is going as planned...
Belize - February 12, 2012
LOL. Epic fail by those two tonight.
BullsFan22 - February 12, 2012
JR Smith is can come back to the NBA on Wednesday, get on it GarPax!
berzerkulous - February 12, 2012
You know a game sucked when Mike Breen doesn't do his annoying "BANG"
BullsFan22 - February 12, 2012
only at BaB
Boozer 22 and 7 on 9-for-16 in 35 minutes, Noah 16 and 9 in 36, Deng 10 and 5 in 43 minutes, CJ shoots 8-for-23 from the field, bench shoots 6-for-23. Whose fault? Boozer’s, of course.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
of course it was! he played badly!
his offense is one dimmensional, it does nothing to help others get shots, AND a rotting corpse could play better defense than him!
It’s all about the value you get for your money, and Boozer should not be getting the money we are paying for shitty efforts like that
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
it's not about value for money. we're not the ones paying. GarPaxDorf paid for the best PF available.
the money is gone and there’s no sense in complaining about his contract.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
we invest by watching, by going to games, don't we?
His contract makes signing anyone else practically impossible. The Bulls signed him to be a 2nd scoring option, but he is our 3rd best scorer on his best day.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Listen, we had cap space and our options were either Boozer, Amare, David Lee, or sit on cap space
We kind of had to sign Booz for the money. Yeah, he’s overpaid but so what. At least we didn’t get one of the other guys and Boozer is really not that bad. He’s the best of what our poor options were.
TheHungarianJordan - February 12, 2012
That is true, but what matters now is that we may be handcuffed by salary. It prevents any other signings we may want to make
And I speak fearfully here. Efforts like today’s game won’t cut it. My problem with Booz is that he just isn’t consistent anywhere on the court. Sometimes he scores 25, sometimes 8. Sometimes he plays defense, others he looks like a cardboard cutout.
It is just frustrating.
And you are completely right. I spoke out of that frustration, but he gets exposed badly when he becomes our first offensive option
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
His offense is one-dimensional?
Bullshit. He’s an extremely versatile scorer and a great passer. If anything, his problem is that he’s not good enough at any one thing to consistently create buckets.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
"extremely versatile scorer and great passer"
I will admit he is a good passer and I wrote this when I was angry (I really have got to stop doing that) but the fact remains that he is not as good as many would hope he would be. His “versatile scoring” has been reduced to outside jumpers against elite defenders. Part of that is just age. It isn’t a huge deal. But my beef with Booz is the beef I have with Korver; either score better or play defense. Korver has done that. His D has improved. He used to be a liability in games where he didn’t score, but now he is holding his own out there on the defensive side of the court. Boozer has also had his good defensive games here and there, but not against good opponents. If he ain’t scoring, and he ain’t defending, he shouldn’t be out there.
My frustration with him goes beyond this game. He’s streaky on both ends of the court nowadays, and Bulls’ fans should expect consistently at the very least for a man making 7 figures per year. Your last point makes that argument and I agree 100%. Just remember that this thread comes after a Bulls’ loss which rarely happens these days. I, along with several others need to learn to shut up and mull over our words a bit more, but it probably won’t happen. Take everything with a grain of salt, ’kay?
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
"His "versatile scoring" has been reduced to outside jumpers against elite defenders"
Like I mentioned elsewhere, today he was able to consistently good inside shots against a pretty damn good defensive team.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
And that was the only positive I saw from him today
But did you notice they never helped on him? They know he cannot beat them for a full 48 minutes. And he shouldn’t have to, to be honest. Especially with Rose healthy. Here comes that word I’ve used about 10 times already…it’s just frustrating.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
if lu has a bad offensive game when there's no PG, it's excusable
if Booz scores a lot but balances out his impact with not just bad, but lazy defense and stupid, clumsy plays, I have a right to bitch.
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
so Rose creates for Deng, but doesn't help Booze?
Osaka - February 12, 2012
it's not the offense
marionette - February 12, 2012
booz can get his own shot
lu cannot. and we know this
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
that one Rondo layup was brutal
BULLieving in Miami - February 12, 2012 via mobile
lololololol
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
do you watch basketball, or just box scores
carlos boozer is pathetic
marionette - February 12, 2012
You're hyperbolic.
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
i have missed one game this year. i don't even really like boozer.
this boozer-bashing is getting ridiculous.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
as ridiculous as predicting boozer will be more helpful than harmful vs miami?
them’s the stakes.
marionette - February 12, 2012
Boozer+Taj at PF is better than Taj+Scal at PF, versus Miami or anyone else, of course.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
Nope.
His defense just gives up too many points to offset his scoring contributions.
Any offense he scores is negated (it’s been repeated, but the same topics gets brought up)
RogersPark Kris - February 12, 2012
wow
Osaka - February 12, 2012
oh my fucking god
did you just disagree with boozer not being better than scalafuckingbrine
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
lmfao
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
No shit. I've given up at this point. I don't even defend him. Around here, defending him is like being pro-AIDS or something.
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
i gave it up too
marionette - February 12, 2012
Boozer plays like AIDS
causing chaos in a bad way
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Yeah, that was pretty fucking stupid.
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
well....you're pretty fucking stupid!
I thought of that all by myself, too!
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
I would make a comment here, but my powers of metaphor have
been preemptively dwarfed by your ability to categorize Boozer’s play as “causing chaos in a bad way.”
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
Well, you see...
Rose causes chaos for opposing teams, but Boozer causes Bulls’ fans to lose their minds, causes the team’s defense (much like an AIDS victim) to crumble, AND makes me sad.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
chaos in a bad way
is redundant.
You can’t have good chaos.
cayal - February 12, 2012
when it isn't directed at your team, it's good
when someone else is experencing chaos, you may benefit. Why are we arguing this, again? Oh right, because I made a shitty comparison just to see all the grief I’d get.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
No offense
but you are the Carlos Boozer of analogies.
cayal - February 12, 2012
I think a big problem is exactly what Sam Smith wrote about
People see Boozer for his flaws instead of what he brings to the table.
He leads a comeback from 12 down when the game seems out of hand and people see ONE play, calling timeout when CJ was open down the sideline. Not to mention there’s not even a guarantee CJ was scoring on that play.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
I think the fault's been spread around, no?
I mean, there’s CJ stuff directly above this. So what the fuck is your point.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
not in the last thread, when the game was actually happening.
(everything above this was submitted in the 1 minute while i was writing the comment, if you look at the timestamps)
Osaka - February 12, 2012
Did you read the game threads? Blame has not been spread
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Did you read the game threads?
People were all over CJ and Taj. Deng was getting some as well, but he didn’t deserve it as bad Booz, CJ or Taj, as he was checking Pierce damn well all game long.
dakoose - February 12, 2012
Exactly.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Our DEFENSE checked Pierce
A lot of times it was Noah checking him on switches. When Pierce had to step up, he did
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Noah did play great D on the switches.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
In case you haven't noticed,
Deng is either 1 or 1a in terms or the team’s defense, and he’s the team’s best one on one defender too. Noah was great too, but Deng still had a positive impact on the game, in my opinion.
dakoose - February 13, 2012
oh, god no
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
thing is, the thread was putting MAJORITY of the blame on Booz
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
thank you.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
Thank you.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
Well, CJ played bad, Deng played bad
didn’t see the bench. Boozer played bad too though.
God that D
Prevenge - February 12, 2012
So is JR Smith
Still an out of the question hope?
Saukrates - February 12, 2012
Money
Lakers have odom trade exception
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
like the bulls would ever sign a guy like him anyway
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
33 FB pts? Holy shit
Protocol - February 12, 2012
CJ's decision making the last two minutes made me cringe.
memlarry - February 12, 2012
what decision making
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
Thinsg I learned
everything is Boozer’s fault…CJ’s retard shot. Boozer’s fault. Deng misses in and out, boozer’s fault
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Taj playing like total shit on offense and defense today for whatever reason
boozer’s fault
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
the fact that everyone blames everything on lebron
its boozers fault
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
CJ's shot immediately ranks as one of the worst shots I've ever seen in my life
I mean, that shot would’ve sucked if we had .7 seconds on the clock
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Someone said that he slipped and threw it up to draw the foul
Sounds even dumber
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
no set up, no squaring, foot on the line, no fake, plenty of time
yep, it was awful
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
Thank God for Noah and Boozer, or this wouldn't have even been a game
Boston blows.
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Noah was awesome as usual vs. Celts
I love when he breaks out his guns too
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
No bass, no oneal
Boozer and noah are weak sisters
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
Jermaine sucks anyway
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
fuck that, noah played well
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
lol, Bass and O'Neal? Who gives a shit?
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
I think Wilcox
is better lol
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Johnson, smeagsma, and wilcox
Noah should have had a career night
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
Honestly
When the fuck is the blame gonna shift from someone other than Boozer? If he has a good game, we look for reasons why he had a bad one. If he has a bad one, everyone piles on him at once. Can anyone agknowledge the fact that people have good and bad games, and today, Booz was NOT one of the bad games, and CJ/Lu were the people with bad games?
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
His lack of effort on defense is unforgivable.
Van Gundy correctly pointed out that a coach can not tolerate his type of lazy effort. He also caused several costly turnovers in the 2nd half. He was terrible today.
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
I think you're basing that off of JVG highlighting a couple plays when it happened to Booz...
Brew has done the same thing several times this year. Happens to everyone. I don’t think it’s a lack of hustle, he just can’t find his guy until he’s already sprinted past him.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
No, he consistently backs away or turns away from contact when someone is driving the lane.
Today was worse than usual. I’m really not a Boozer basher and he probably takes more heat on this site than deserved but I thought he was God awful today on defense and clumsy in the paint.
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
I'm not gonna defend his poor defense, but it's not through a lack of hustle IMO, he just doesn't get it.
And the reason the Bulls lost this game wasn’t because of Boozer’s defense, especially considering the fact that he nearly single handedly carried the offensive load.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
Most days I would agree it wasn't a lack of hustle
but when it’s so obvious to be correctly called out for it on national tv….
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
First of all, it's JVG....
Second, this is just my opinion, while it does look like he didn’t hustle on that play (I presume you’re talking about the one alley-oop), I think he was looking for his man (I believe it was Wilcox), turned around to find him, and then he sprinted right past him. Just my opinion.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
You don't think JVG is qualified to recognize effort?
It wasn’t just that play either, it was the entire game.
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
I'm just saying it may LOOK like a lack of effort, but I don't think it is.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
^^this
and I think that even Boozer’s worst haters can agree that he’s trying. I never saw Boozer hold his head down and apologize to Jo last season, and it seems like he’s doing it all the time now. His defense, though still bad, is better than from last year’s atrocity.
I also like that his screaming has also improved. I suspect he must’ve practiced it diligently in the offseason while he was on that diet. My favorite play of the game: Boozer jumps for a rebound that ricochets in a weird direction off the rim, and well after the ball passes his outstretched arm he shouts “GIMME DAT SHIT” anyway, as if his screaming is magnetic and can somehow direct the ball back to him.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Another thing
Boozer could easily have a LeBron attitude about all the hatred directed towards him and say FU, I’m doing my thing and I don’t care what anyone else has to say about it. He got his big payday, and could there’s really nothing stopping him from coasting for the rest of his career.
The fact of the matter is that Boozer is not doing any of this. He knows he was a disappointment last year, came to camp in incredible shape and a totally revamped body when others were eating their way out of the league, and has committed to trying to get better.
He doesn’t complain in the media, doesn’t use injury as an excuse, is a team first guy, and seems to legitimately care about doing whatever he can to help this team win.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
True, he's had a great attitude
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Wrong.
HE’S HAD A GREAT ATTITUDE!
That’s how it should be said.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. - February 12, 2012
He would use like fifteen exclamation points as well.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Very very well said.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
Wow
You act like Boozer is doing us a favor or something. Man you Boozer apologist are on a roll. We’re trying to win a damn Championship. Who gives a damn about how he takes criticism? He’s not getting dogged by local and national media because he’s an unlikable guy. He’s getting dogged for a reason.
That reason is that he isn’t a great player when it matters. Just like I said the other day when Korver was getting his rocks off against the Hornets and crap teams while running from the ball and clanking when it matters. These guys need to show that they can play championship caliber basketball. If they can’t then it’s a flawed team.
Let’s get this straight for good.Boozer’s point production and rebounding will never make up for the mental errors and lack of defense he shows on the court against good teams. So I wish the Boozer protection agency would quit popping up every damn time he fills a stat sheet with decent numbers against average to bad competition. Every knows it, including him that he needs to step up.
Dils - February 12, 2012
If you're expecting Boozer to perform perfectly on every play
You are always going to be disappointed in his production, or anyone else’s for that matter. To say that he will never be good enough for you, no matter how hard he tries, is telling. Everyone makes mistakes in every game. All you can ask is that players learn from their mistakes and try to get better, which is what Boozer is trying to do. The same is true of life.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Why do you guys keep making this a strawman argument?
No one said Boozer has to be perfect or that anyone expects everyone to be. Also this isn’t some vendetta against him. The guy is not a victim. It’s about what this Bulls team needs to win a title. Here you have a guy who only plays well against bums and even when doing that, is prone to make the type of mental errors that can lose games.
That play where he didn’t push the ball ahead to CJ was huge and did help lose the game. As a rebounder to knows damn well he needs to know where the outlet pass is or if there’s a chance to push the ball ahead for an easy bucket. He calls a timeout. He did the same crap in the playoffs with his dumb flagrant fouls.
This isn’t about life. It’s not that deep. It’s about putting the best team on the court to win a title. I honestly debate if this is a guy you can win a ring with.
Dils - February 12, 2012
I was specifically referring to this in my reply:
Since I’m directly addressing something you wrote, I don’t think it’s a strawman argument, but I respect how you’d interpret it that way since I admit I was getting a bit deep there. Personally I do think lessons in sports are applicable to life, but that’s pretty OT and neither here nor there.
To clarify, the main point I was trying to make is that I believe that Boozer can and is improving. He certainly did made a mistake, but he did a lot of things right in that game too and he should get credit for the good and the bad.
I also believe that it matters that he is trying, and that he is actually improving too. That should not be overlooked. I HATED Boozer last year and was one of those fans screaming at him during that playoff run, but this year I can see that he’s different.
I disagree with writing him off completely as someone who simply can’t win, but that’s a matter of opinion in which I think that neither one of us can really say that we’re right or wrong.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Yeah
He although his D still sucks. He’s improved a lil bit on D at least swiping and playing the passing lanes a lil bit
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
I'll give you this:
Your logic is impeccable.
I still think Boozer can play a signficant role on a championship team. Maybe even this one.
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
It's not even that he's that bad defensively, he's just slow as all fuck
People need to realize this. The dude is limited physically. A lot of the times he’s not going for the block just because he knows he’ll get called for a foul. He’s not a great defender. This should not be news. He does ok because he’s a pretty good positional defender, and he’s a damn good defensive rebounder.
Offensively, there were stretched that he completely carried us. He brings a lot to the table. I totally understand why people want to criticize him at times, but I don’t understand why we constantly have to dwell on his shortcomings. As much as you might not want to believe it, there really aren’t that many power forwards in the league that are better than Carlos Boozer. And I can promise you, our record would not be what it has been the past two years if he sucked as much as people on this board think
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
It's like people forget he was a longshot 2nd round pick when he was drafted
and this was off a big time team at Duke! All the haters can see are the dollars and assume he’s spoiled or something. Boozer obviously had to work his butt off to get to where he is today. He has always had these limitations, most 2nd rounders do, but no matter what he does and how hard he works, he will always be criticized for what he is not.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
it's not that he's spoiled...it is the fact that we are frustrated that he cannot be counted on
He is what he is, though. I get over the frustration after every game only for it to come back the next game.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
He can be counted on. He's just not Derrick Rose
but who else o this team brings that kind of consistency? Until we trade for another superstar player, it ain’t happenin’.
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
fuck boozer tobias
Belize - February 12, 2012
I disagree
Boston played some very good basketball today. I haven’t seen them look this good in a while. Rondo’s performance was nothing short of MVP-caliber.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
flagged
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
Hey, I hate the fucker
But today, he lit it up.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
Against our 2nd stringer.
He would not have if a healthy Rose had been playing.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Sure.
Riddlah. - February 12, 2012
Oh no you didn't
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Cj can go eat a giraffes dick
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
You do know that Giraffe dick is a delicacy in some countries, right?
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
i think rondo eats it for breakfast
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
do they have giraffes on mars?
jesus christos - February 12, 2012
ha
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
Rondo grabbing Dengs wrist
Boozers fault
memlarry - February 12, 2012
Rondo has no honor
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
He's angry with God for making him look like an alien.
memlarry - February 12, 2012
ESPN's gonna herald Rondo's epic performance
But the majority of his points came only because the Bulls took long jumpers, missed, and Rondo got out in transition. In addition, most nba pg’s can torch a pg rotation of cj and JL3
ChiTownSportsMaster - February 12, 2012
Rondo had 32 points and 15 assists
Not all of that came in transition. Besides, a lot of what did come in transition was directly caused by Rondo himself. He was very active defensively and helped force a bunch of turnovers.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
whos still against trading deng for howard
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
1 game
LMFAO
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
I
Saukrates - February 12, 2012
Me
Polemic - February 12, 2012 via iPhone app
Me
Well not Deng AND Jo….I hate Turkeyglue
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Wait, not like this game meant all that much, but who the hell was against that in the first place? Because they need to be flogged
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
and banned
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Stfu
dsenchi - February 12, 2012 via mobile
who are you?
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
unless we keep jo, I am
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
give them deng and picks/bench players = yes
Noah and Deng = no
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I am!
And am not shy about saying it! By the way this game falls on cj in my opinion. Paul pierce actually ended the game with less points than deng, as an indication of how the latter played defensively. Boozer played about as efficiently on offense as we could hope for and Noah gave us great energy. Cj scored a lot of points but took a lot of shots to get there and made some boneheaded decisions during the game, especially in the last few seconds.
dsenchi - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Boozer is just a spazz
He’s dumb and we signed him, he played fine though. Cj on the other hand…. I want CJ dead.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I'll take care of it.
memlarry - February 12, 2012
I dont want him dead
Just raped by a 800 lb gorilla
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
such colorful language
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
ill be out the pen after sept...
Belize - February 12, 2012
+5 to the BaB rankings for also including the WWE reference
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Stay classy, Bulls fan.
AlexC - February 12, 2012
Our guards shot a combined 14 for 41. No way that can be blamed on booz.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Yes we can!
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
Lol..irrational.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
can it be blamed on lebron
yea lets go with that….
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
once again piccolo, you have come to say the day with your special beam cannon
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
IT ONLY HAD A POSITIVE AFFECT ONCE!!!!!
THats including all the movies AND GT….
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
ok, I see where this is going. Later everyone.
everyone parsing out blame pie. here’s some % of blame for you! and you! and you get too much! and you get too little!
Boozer can stink and others can stink.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
Lol…way to see people go crazy over a roseless loss, after the last game of a 9 game road trip, about a game with a few more shots falling we win easy.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
yeah i mean the bulls were pretty much as pathetic as they get
and still only lost by 4. it’s really not that concerning. can’t wait to see the guys run the second half with 2/3 games at home.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
i want to keep rose in a fuckin ice chamber, and lock him up inside that chamber for the next two weeks
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
you'd think a guy who runs an internet nba forum would be more fond of pointless arguments
i think you really like making people looks silly
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
no way
I think you found the ring
Prevenge - February 12, 2012
I swear you guys only watch one side of the court
When their guards go for 43 points,17 asts and 10 rebs, sure you can blame your front court for not rotating and allowing a PG to score in the paint and get to the line 22 damn times.
Dils - February 12, 2012
Rondo
Getting calls Rose can’t get in his dreams
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
thats no excuse
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
it really isn't
have the bulls ever given rondo a hard foul ever? i don’t know why that son a bitch hasn’t tasted floor with regularity.
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
That one in the playoffs
When Noah Knocked him down
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Brad Miller got his ass
Yibs - February 12, 2012 via mobile
when you're guarding a guy who cant shoot
You’ve got to find a way to not let him penetrate, that’s on CJ and Lucas.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
I didnt think CJ could play worse than he did in the 1st
Boy was I wrong.
HawkeyeBoiler - February 12, 2012
If we got rid of everyone after games in which they played poorly, there wouldn't be a team, or even a league.
berzerkulous - February 12, 2012
Stop making sense.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
we had a fresh 24 seconds
and Kyle Fucking Korver on the floor. We pay Kyle 5 million dollars a year just to shoot threes, but CJ just really liked 20 foot fadeaway with a hand in his face. There was no way he was gonna pass that up.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Seemed like a called play, just wasn't executed very well. Nor was it necessary in that situation.
berzerkulous - February 12, 2012
that was a pretty weird play for Thibs to draw up
Maybe he felt like because the Bulls had no timeouts left, it was strategically worth it to go for the tie instead of being down one, and he wanted to leave as much time as possible for a second chance at winning in case the Bulls missed the shot.
The more time the Bulls take there, the worse position they put themselves in with no timeouts, regardless of if they score or not.
The thing that really killed the play was CJ’s foot being on the line though; it completed defeated the purpose of the play.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
it was the dumbest shot of the season.
and it isn’t close.
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
I watched the replay on NBA.com and I think my initial analysis was right
The Bulls had the ball with ~26 seconds and no timeouts left.
Assuming they take their time and go for 2, the Celtics have the ball with <24 seconds and a 1 point lead, so the Bulls have to foul.
But then what? The Celtics are likely to make two free throws and the lead is back to three, but the Bulls are in even worse shape than before because they have no timeout to draw up a play and have to hope for the best on a forced 3.
Even probably best case scenario the Celtics split their free throws, you’re scrambling to score two to tie (which you could’ve done anyway with CJ’s 3), and we all know the Bulls have no one that can create their own shot when DRose is out.
If the Bulls shoot a very quick 3 there, they are putting themselves in the best position to win the game outright given the situation in the game. In fact, they can tie there, have the Celtics miss while they try to run out the clock, and STILL have a chance to win with a few seconds left for their last possession.
It’s a terrible situation to be in any way you look at it, but you need a quick 3, Korver’s going to be guarded heavily in the first few seconds of that inbounds play, and CJ is your next best 3 point shooter.
He still totally messed up by toe-ing the line though. I bet Thibs was pissed.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Yeah I disagreed with that call as well
dsenchi - February 12, 2012 via mobile
After what CJ did
Marion Barber is forgiven. At least he had a good game that day (before the fuckups) Cj sucked ass all game
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Maybe Rondo deserved the All star bid over Deng
Imma lose all my BaB points for the truth :(
Rudey - February 12, 2012
FLAGGED
jrobulls - February 12, 2012
in all due respect
shut up
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Coming from one of the worst posters on this site
ill take it!
Rudey - February 12, 2012
One of the worst posters?
I’ll take that as well.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Nah, not Rondo, but maybe Josh Smith
Although I don’t wanna pile on Lu. He sucked, but he’s been playing well, and he’s fighting through a nasty injury
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
*dislike*
Belize - February 12, 2012
OMG!
sue369 - February 12, 2012
BANHAMMER NAAAOOOOO
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
At least you realized the stakes of saying something like that
dsenchi - February 12, 2012 via mobile
Hollinger
Why are you posting on BaB?
c4 - February 12, 2012
There are no BaB points.
Just Power Rankings. And yes, you dropped quite a few spots just now. :-P
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. - February 12, 2012
Meh he agreed with me in his recap
its all good.
Rudey - February 13, 2012
That was a selfish play by cj
I think he was hoping to save the bulls and get some buzz, trying to make the all stars shootout
gooses - February 12, 2012
yep that's the first thing i thought too
I saw Luol yapping at him on the next play.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
on the brightside
I’m proud of Noah, a little proud of Booze, and John Lucas III gets a pat on the head for trying.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
always love reading BaB overreactions
don’t take the bait! good game and move on!
Orange Juice - February 12, 2012
Omg..we’re 22-7. This loss without rose really exposes our weaknesses.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Alright guys, I'll buy the black masks and duct tape, meet me at the Berto Center tomorrow at 10 am sharp
Lack of hustle will not be tolerated… IN THIS LIFE.
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
I think I was watching CJ Westbrook
jrobulls - February 12, 2012
Not even Westbrick would do what he did
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
Why were the bulls, cj et al
guarding rondo so damn close at the 3pt line….why? guard him at 20 ft and under, not above…they should have stayed low made kg more inefficient, and kept penetration down….that was a huge huge flaw in the coaching plan…..let rondo beat you with a jumper…he cant…
piccolomair - February 12, 2012
who knows
I don’t really know why Boozer was in the game instead of Noah late either. That Pierce elbow jumper was the dagger and it was possible cause boozer never hedges.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
who knows
I don’t really know why Boozer was in the game instead of Noah late either. That Pierce elbow jumper was the dagger and it was possible cause boozer never hedges.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012 via mobile
You should crowd rondo
If you back off he sees everything
CJ was way back he wasnt up on him,
Trey23 - February 12, 2012
meh, at least ray allen didnt go off on us...
otherwise it would have been over
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
Would have been a great game to see jimmy in for defense and a little offense. Brewer was almost nonexistant out there.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
Whats really great tho, the bulls were always within striking distance, as bad as we shot we had a chance to take the lead at the end. Without rose, even struggling, were a legit team.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
indeed, def a 5th seed team
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
nice to see everyone cranky and flipping out after one loss
I swear the fans on this forum want to jump off a cliff everytime we lose. It happens guys. Yeah, CJ had a bad game. It’s not OMFG CJ WATSON IS THE WORST PLAYER EVER WTF!!!!!!!!!!! Give the guy a break, Rondo is a good defender and the C’s play great team D.
Repeat after me. Deep breaths. We will be fine.
TheHungarianJordan - February 12, 2012
Welcome to Blog a Bull!!!!
Where Bi-Polar is a prerequisite.
Saukrates - February 12, 2012
and Schizophrenia places you upon the pedestal known as the Blogabull elite
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
the last 2 shots he took were inexcusable.
obnoxious american - February 12, 2012
BaB: where your rational perspective will not be tolerated
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
Have to agree. This loss, in and of itself, was not that painful
A couple plays were painful, but I’ll get over this one quickly. In fact, I’m already over it. The scary thing hovering over this team remains to be, health. I’m basically done giving a shit about seeding. I do think it will be important, but unfortuntatley, we have much bigger things to worry about at the moment
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Yea
the worst development of the day was abc reporting that Rose’s back is actually has been getting worse and not better.
chowder - February 12, 2012
ugh
obv didn’t hear that being at the game. not good news…
Jaina - February 12, 2012
Fans of every team on Earth
do this.
cayal - February 12, 2012
Not always
Im pretty sure Charlotte fans don’t freak out after a loss because I doubt any human being has the energy to do that 4 times a week. Also, I’m pretty sure Miami fans don’t frak out after a loss, but that is only because Miami fans don’t realize they played.
chowder - February 12, 2012
damn it rose, why did you have to play thru ur damn backpain!
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
yeah sucks
if what he needs is a week, and didn’t take it when we were playing the hornets and nets. but at this rate i’ll be thankful if he only needs a damn week…
Jaina - February 12, 2012
I'm gonna stop semi-trolling and just blame my frustration to losing to the Boston Martians
but yeah, the C’s are still a good defense. W/o Rose, no one can create their own shot. It was just annoying and we pick out Booz and CJ and all the others who played bad, but in reality, we know what our team is. Nothing today suprised me. We had been feasting on really poor competition so far without Rose, but facing an above average team, we are in trouble.
So whatever. Someone give Rose an ice pack and hopefully he’s ready in a few days.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
i think the bulls could have won today with a better game from Deng
the bulls are at or slightly below the celtics level without rose.
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
we are a .500 team without him
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
i thought you said you were going to stop!
Osaka - February 12, 2012
sin made a clone??!?!?!
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
things that make me different from sin:
i like all of our players, i don’t want us to make any trades, i hate the knicks, i don’t care who the knicks have on their team, i think we can beat the heat. is that enough?
Osaka - February 12, 2012
Not you
The brigade guy
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
oh, good
Osaka - February 12, 2012
lol how is that like sin?
I think what I said is realistic, as opposed to everything sin says. Seriously, we are 5-2 w/o Rose, but the two losses are to the Grizzlies and the Celtics, both playoff teams. We would be damn close to .500 without Rose
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Grizzlies loss, like this one, was without Hamilton.
and Lucas started over CJ. Noah scored 2 points. I think we’re past that stage now.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
hmm...that's a good point
they were without Z-Bo and Arthur though
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
i'm probably a bit sensitive now because yfbb called me out for the first time today
Osaka - February 12, 2012
same, i do have some favs on the team (obviously) but I dont really have any hatred for any of our guys.
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
I don't "hate" any of our players, either....just get frustrated REALLY easily with 2-3 of them.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
i would say above..
only reason i say that is because of Thibs defensive schema and gameplan of “never givin up.”
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
That's right
Boston wanted Scal. NO SCAL FO YOU!
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
part of that "never givin up" is that we win. a lot.
would that attitude remain if we were not winning at the level we do? I’m skeptical
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Every team has shitty games.
Today was that game for us.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Yes. Plus, we almost won with two starters out and another a non-factor.
Osaka - February 12, 2012
yep
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Still, when you curse, that means something went horribly wrong
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Naw it just means we
are not the only team in the universe to have bad days.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Still, you cursed!
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
I curse all the time.
Nothing new here.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
There's no curse words in "Go Bulls!"...
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
(or "New thread")
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Then you need to pay more attention.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Oh lighten up, you
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Make me. :P
sue369 - February 12, 2012
Deng didn't score his first FG until like 6:30 in the THIRD quarter.
CJ was 8-23
Taj missed three shots from within three feet of the basket.
The league’s MVP was on the bench.
We lost by a couple buckets to a desparate veteran Boston team on the road.
We’ll be okay.
Dogfishhead - February 12, 2012
9 road games
in 15 days.
cayal - February 12, 2012
Well the Bucks game doesn't count as a road game, really.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. - February 12, 2012
Am I the only one who thinks Boston actually played a hell of a game?
Rondo obviously had the triple-double, and Garnett’s defense was simply spectacular. I hate both of those fuckers, but they came to play.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
They've been playing well lately.
berzerkulous - February 12, 2012
that was their best game dude and they barely won against us...
boston at best are an above average team
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
I don't disagree that they're usually just an above-average team
But today, they were damn good.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
yeah, thats fine though,
i thought this game was going to be clsoe reagrdless…
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
They have the talent to be very good. Just most of that talent is old and they lack depth.
They can beat anyone, even the Bulls and Heat at full strength, in a single game. But they won’t win a lot of games during the season or beat the Bulls or Heat in a 7 game series.
berzerkulous - February 12, 2012
Absolutely right.
And yet the Bulls lost only by 4 on the road without Rose. Boston earned the win without a doubt, but it also serves to remind me just how awesome this Bulls team is. Hell, if CJ just played an average game there’s a good chance the Bulls would have won it. So I feel pretty good.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. - February 12, 2012
yeah I'm actually not feeling too bad about this one
I do feel however that Cj made a selfish play at the end and that’s one thing I really dont like. I also think getting an offensive talent at the trade deadline would be nice.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
and not to be a hater
But I kind of feel like Brewer doesn’t have much of a purpose on this team. I think Jimmy Butler basically takes care of his job and is better offensively. Maybe we could use him with a pick for an offensive player.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
Brewer fits much better with the second team
he’s stuck with the 1st team until Rip gets back though
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Jimmy's shown basically nothing offensively, so it would be hard to categorize him as "better" on that end of the floor
but yeah, Brew has really been a non-factor for the most part. I still like him, but I think he’s really exposed as a starter
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Yep. Butler has some good moves, but we've never seen enough of him to get a good grasp on his game
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Not surprised or really disappointed by the loss, but a couple frustrating moments
1) Why didn’t Thibs sub in Noah before CJ’s 2nd free throw? He had done it with Deng at the line a minute before, and the team’s best chance at a win was a missed free throw and offensive rebound. Noah is an elite offensive rebounder who already had 4 in the game. It seemed like a glaring oversight at the time, and then CJ missed the free throw and the Bulls didn’t have anyone on the floor who could make a play to tip the ball.
2) The inbounds play creating CJ’s off-balanced non-3 was a team failure, but on the replay I was annoyed at how weakly Boozer tried to screen Pietrus. Following an afternoon of Garnett stepping out and laying his shoulder into Bulls on screens and blocking their path, Boozer stayed in the lane and just kinda moved his arm a bit, resulting in Pietrus not having to break stride to get out to CJ at the arc. With a decent screen, that’s probably an open look for the tie.
Considering that (a) it was the 9th game of a road trip, (b) the Bulls were shooting horribly, and © they were playing without Rose, the loss is understandable. It would’ve been a nice game to steal though.
from the window to luol - February 12, 2012
Yahoo says: "Rajon Rondo and the Celtics barely fought off the Bulls down the stretch despite the absence of Derrick Rose."
Osaka - February 12, 2012
Yahoo knows wassup
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
A win is a win. No excuses.
Riddlah. - February 12, 2012
true, but there's a difference between a good win and a bad win
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
No, not at all.
Riddlah. - February 12, 2012
There's a certain thing as good wins and bad wins...
Even if the Bulls win this game, it’s a bad win, because they still played like crap.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
I disagree entirely
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Also disagree
There’s a lot of luck involved in who wins and loses in close games. We’re talking about a lot of games that are decided by <2 points. It’s variance. In these situations, coin flip plays like where a ball bounces or even a single call by a referee can completely change the outcome of the game.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Only true in the playoffs
Prevenge - February 12, 2012
Fuck that, I'm not Thibs
I make excuses like a motherfucker. No Rose = Big ass excuse.
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
Have we lost a game this year with our starting 5 playing?
Maybe Golden State?
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
Yeah, that's it...
Atlanta we didn’t have Rip (he wouldn’t have a mad a difference anyway….)
Memphis no DRose
Indiana no Lu
Miami no Lu
Philly no Lu or Rip
Today no DRose or Rip
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
I don't even need to check, because it doesn't matter
I think it’s pretty clear that, when we’re entirely healthy, we’re as good or better than any team in the league.
Now, it might not matter because we we may just never get healthy, but it’s still a damn good roster, and we don’t have that much to complain about in that regard
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
I think its interesting how crappy CJ's defense becomes when hes asked to play 38 minutes
run an offense and score 20 points a game.
= derrick is awesome.
TheMoon - February 12, 2012
yep, it is REALLY difficult.
It makes understanding Rose’s injuries very easy too. It’s just too much.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Well his detractors always said
that the reason he was touted as such a great defender was because he got to play against the other teams’s second stringer.
Dils - February 12, 2012
i think its more that his defense is so predicated on ball pressure, which is really hard to do over
38 minutes when you have to do so many other things as well.
TheMoon - February 12, 2012
I think if we had Mike James instead of John Lucas
CJ wouldn’t have needed to play 38 minutes. Lucas is just terrible. I defended him missing those free throws in Denver last year, but his play this year leads me to think he should be out of the league. He is a point guard who can’t pass. Seriously, whenever they run the pick and roll he just forces a shot. He never looks to pass or is unable to pass to the screener. His court vision for a point guard is atrocious.
chowder - February 12, 2012
maybe its just the good form on his jumper
I love Brewer and I know its not his fault he can’t keep his elbow straight, but it just makes him a complete liability. I’ve noticed he bulked up too. I dunno if its just me but he seems less athletic and as a defensive specialist that’s not good.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
he had 3 steals today
he’s still a defenive juggernaut
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
oh well that's a relief
I didn’t check out the box score I’ve just been going off the eye test. Good to know he’s got some steals.
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
that's always been his forte
he is great against anyone not named LeBron James, and even on him he’s passable
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
did a good job on Allen too.
HawkeyeBoiler - February 12, 2012
he's been doing well at keeping it straight
not as consistent as it was when it started the season, but, it’s super hard to change form more than 25 years into your life. I give him credit, and he still does it from time to time.
like when he makes it.
dantheman3k - February 12, 2012
Hopefully he can get his early season form back for a certain 3 week stretch in may/june
chowder - February 12, 2012
ohp
Reply fail
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
Did you just reply fail to your reply fail?
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
yes jbj
I feel shame
MartyMondays - February 12, 2012
its ok, just blame LeBron
after all, hes the reason for world hunger, war, no Dave Chapelle
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
I come to BaB post game threads to remind myself that I'm not even close to the craziest Bulls fan out there
Rose Colored Goggles - February 12, 2012
so far it's still working
Rose Colored Goggles - February 12, 2012
if you aren't crazy, you aren't a true Bulls fan
we expect MJ to walk out of that locker room any game now!
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
So does anyone really still think Taj is better than Booz?
Really?
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
On defense? Yes.
sue369 - February 12, 2012
I'll admit that too...
But it doesn’t come close to making up the gap in offense.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
Taj is closing the gap though
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Maybe reeeeeaaallllyyy slowly, but they will never be close.
I’m not sure if anyone here confuses my Boozer love with Taj hate, but honestly, I love Taj, and if Taj was ever going to develop a good offensive game, he would have done it already. All I’ve seen from him this season is bad passes, missed jumpers, and poor decision making (on the offensive, not defensive, end).
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
If the gap is closing, it's because Boozer's getting worse, not because Taj is getting better.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
lol that's true
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
defense wins championships...
Offense wins hollingers respect. Fuck hollinger
Belize - February 12, 2012 via mobile
they are equal but different. this has always been true since boozer came to the bulls.
TheMoon - February 12, 2012
We really need Dr. Alphonse Mephesto
That way we could splice the good parts of Taj with the good parts of Boozer and have one pretty damn good power forward.
chowder - February 12, 2012
im still for splicing booz and asik
that guy would be incredible
paddyfairview - February 12, 2012
I don’t know, neither can score inside against traffic.
chowder - February 12, 2012
We are AWFUL against +.500 teams
kpd - February 12, 2012
we are like .500 against +.500 teams, 2 of those games w/o Rose
it’s fine. The Heat were swept by us in the reg season last year and that meant a lot, didn’t it?
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
I was at the game today
CJ just looked awful the entire time. He had no feel for the game at all today. Every time we closed on the C’s, he would just chuck up a 3 because he felt like it.
I was really hoping to see Rose today, as it’s not very often I get the chance to see the Bulls while here in Boston. Oh well.
Cordes72 - February 12, 2012
...
Me too, but it’s all for the better.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
To me he just looked like a backup pg that was forced to start against one of the best defenses in the league
He played fine. (although that shot was really, really, really, bad (no really, it was bad))
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
yeah now i wish i had gone to the other game!
originally i wasn’t going to be in town for that one and ended up being. but i mean i’d rather see no rose than a hobbled one. but i did of course wish he were playing.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
Funny
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
If boozer would just commit to anything on defense, our team defense would be so much better. Its like he finds this center space between almost committing to stepping up on the roller, but then he plays it off like he cant leave his man. And then he just stays in this space where he’s totally useless on help defense.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
If boozer was forced to switch off on defense like noah does. It would force Boozer to commit. I wouldnt mind if he just got beat one on one. It just hurts to see his help defense be so horrible. In a close game, if the opposing team needs a score they attack boozer with the pick and roll and it works everytime. Maybe having him switch and then allowing others to help would work. Him helping is becoming too big a liability.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
By the way, for all the hate Boozer's getting
I’m surprised nobody’s pointed out that if Taj makes just 2 of the 4 shots he missed within 3 feet of the hoop, we win.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
If Booz would have put a hand up or closed out on any of the 25 baskets the Celtics rained on him, we would have won
that is a moot point. You win and lose as a team. Anyone could have made a play.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Okay...
First of all, if you’re gonna go with the “you win and lose as a team” argument, you forfeit the right to criticize any individual player. You can’t have it both ways.
Also, attributing 25 baskets to Boozer’s defense is a gross exaggeration. Finally, it’s a lot easier to make a layup than it is to prevent one.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
Okay...
perhaps I get a bit…all over the place (I AM an sports fan, after all) so let me clarify my stance.
1) I will call out any player for any extrordinary play, either good or bad. Boozer was extrordinarily bad on defense several times today, just like CJ was really bad with that shot with less than a minute to go. His offense was what we expect from him.
2) However, a win or loss can never be defined by one play in either direction, like you tried to attribute to Taj. Anyone could have made a play to win us that game, or to turn the game into a blowout.
3) This is Blogabull…exaggeration is our creed.
4) I would debate that last point. An OPEN layup is easier to make than to contest a layup, but a contested one (like the ones Taj shot, though he really should have hit them) is much more difficult.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
It wasn't 1 play with Taj, it was 4
Back to Boozer, today might’ve been Boozer’s best offensive performance all season, given that it was really the first time he had a great time against a truly great defensive team. Most importantly, he was consistently getting inside shots. I think that’s extremely encouraging given how much he’s settled for jumpshots this year.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
It may be, and like I said down lower on this thread, we'll see, I guess
I like the guy, I really do. I just get frustrated by his inconsistent play and how much his salary handicaps the team. It’s the organizations fault for offering that much anyway, even though they were forced to.
I said the “ones” Taj shot, not one, but you get it.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Another thing
11 of Boozer’s 16 shots came in the paint today. And the Celtics are as good a defensive team as there is. Say what you want about his defense, but you could’ve not have reasonably asked for a better performance offensively out of Boozer.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
4 turnovers
rick o'shay - February 12, 2012
And only about 2 of those were actually his fault.
wrigleyrocker12 - February 12, 2012
Girlfriend bought us tickets for Valentine's day
I wanna be selfish and really hope Rose decides to play.
Rudey - February 12, 2012
Valentine's Day
I’ve been wanting to ask this girl out for two weeks, but wanted to wait until after V-day, to avoid that ‘we went on a few dates and im sorta into you, but its too soon to do anything for valentines’ type thing.
chowder - February 12, 2012
i wanted rose to play too
but i only wanted it if it meant he was ok, not to hobble through it. instead this is what i got! at least tues they have a shitty opponent heh.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
Yea I want him to be healthy
but I dont get the chance to go to many games (work full time/full time student/no money) so I would love to get to see Rose play.
Rudey - February 13, 2012
dude they play here twice a year
if i’m lucky, or more if they match up to the playoffs… i do often get to go to the UC when i am in chicago, but i probably won’t be before the season is over this year. so i certainly don’t get to go much either. kinda sucks cause rip didn’t play in either game in boston. i should have gone to the other one at least to see rose though…
Jaina - February 13, 2012
just got back from the game, dinner, etc
1) transition defense was terrible. everyone was a factor in this
2) deng being a nonfactor – i’m surprised he even got 12 shots up. it barely felt like he touched the ball.
3) that watson play down 3 with like 24 seconds left or whatever – one of the stupidest things i’ve ever seen.
4) rondo actually hit 10-13 FTs. on a normal day he would have hit 7. heh.
guys boozer was NOT to blame in this game. at all. our offense was working the best when we went through him, we needed it badly.
i mean the bulls are on the last game of a 9 game road trip without their best player. that’s exactly what they looked like out there and still only lost by 4 points.
dude i was sitting in front of the most annoying guy ever. funniest part was when he was like “that’s a horrible shot” and then korver’s 3 went in. he was speechless for a few moments haha.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
Man, that had to be a shitty game to be at as a Bulls fan
Juiceboxjerry - February 12, 2012
it was a weird game
i kind of wish at the end rose would have just come in haha. it would have been a mindfuck even if he could barely walk. ;) no really though. although it was pretty amusing to hear the scal chants start up when they got up like 11 or 12 or whatever and then shut up as soon as the bulls cut it to 6.
honestly not sure it was a worse game than the ones (including game 2 of the 09 playoffs) that i’ve seen them lose at the buzzer. those are really rough.
i’ve had a bit of a losing streak at the garden though. i think the last time i saw the bulls beat the celtics in person was when the celtics sucked. i’ve been to other games though at the UC that they’ve won since then at least. it just makes me want to go again when i can see a fully healthy team! dunno if i’ll be able to arrange that though.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
No finger pointing.
There are plenty of fingers to be pointed for the lost of this game, but it was an overall team lost. Some players, such as Boozer and CJ, could not make plays down the stretch but I don’t blame them. Rondo let off the entire game going for a triple double. Where was Rose defense? The blame is so quick to be blamed on the roll players when the stars don’t hold up the their end of the bargin.
The Bulls will learn from this game and more people have to step up during crunch time.
zeezy2 - February 12, 2012
Rose defense was on the bench. He didnt play.
Rose2RipKaboom! - February 12, 2012 via Android app
also:
FUCK DISNEY ON ICE.
9 games. the celtics are also gone for like 2 weeks because of disney on ice. guess how long their road trip is? 5 games, because it falls over the ASG!!!
Jaina - February 12, 2012
i really like Disney on ICE .. :(
RED_BULL - February 12, 2012
actually, they do have an 8 game road trip in march
not sure what is going on here then. but man. they did luck out not getting 2 lengthy road trips then. they do have a really road heavy schedule for the second half. glad that isn’t us!
Jaina - February 12, 2012
we still look pathetic without rose
and i laugh at whoever was saying in yesterdays thread that they didnt see any evidence that jeremy lin was any better than cj
cj fucking blows.
sin - February 12, 2012
CJ only blows when he tries to play hero ball
Fortunately, we don’t need him to do that for the long term. He’s great for what he is; a combo guard who can run point for 8-12 minutes a game and play the 2 when teams try to trap Derrick.
CJ really sucked tonight, but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.
tuff-gong - February 12, 2012
cj has a really tough job
replacing the mvp… we are spoiled watching derrick so seeing cj not perform like that, it seems like he sucks. now i mean who is jeremy lin replacing? no one lol. may i remind everyone that cj has been perfectly capable of scoring 40 in a game.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
Moreover, he's been excelling at that job all season.
Before this game he had a PER over 20, and had been playing some really good D. Losing to the Celtics just brings out the worst in this blog.
tuff-gong - February 12, 2012
that too
he’s had a couple rough games, but overall, i couldn’t really have asked better of the guy while derrick’s been out.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
cj has a tough job because hes not a real point guard
we should have a decent back up point guard who actually can run an offense.
cj is more of those SG in a PG body type players and thats why he struggles to make plays.
it really bothers me that we continue to waste away our draft picks on retarded guy instead of trying to fill out roster depth at positions we needed. (ex. SG or back PG)
sin - February 12, 2012
mike james bitch!
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
You are seriously a moron
This Lin thing of yours is just gonna get old, jut like the Melo crap. CJ has produced all season long. Lin has had what, four games? You can find some stretches of 4 games for CJ where he was damn good too.
Furthermore, as long as we are focusing on what CJ did in just today’s game (that’s right, today’s game still just counts for one), let’s focus on Lin’s last game. I don’t give a shit if the Knicks won, he played a garbage game. 8-24 for 20 points and 8 turnovers. Wow, ya he’s a awesome though. I have some evidence that CJ is better than Lin, what he’s produced has happened over the course of more than 4 goddamn games. We can’t even discuss Lin as a player yet because he has no experience. If the guy is doing this 20 games down the road, then absolutely, let’s give the guy all the credit in the world. It’s been a great stretch for him, but Jesus Christ CJ had one bad game at a bad time. Derrick dropped 4 shitty games last year against Miami and he is still fucking awesome. Drop the bits because you continually look stupid.
DRoseO1 - February 12, 2012
BURN BITCH!!!
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
cj has not once looked like a competent point guard
hes a SG in a PG body
sin - February 12, 2012
Do your eyes not work correctly? Are you actually Neil Funk?
tuluse - February 13, 2012
You know who had a nice few good games?
John Lucas
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
CARLTON FTW!
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
wait, sin, I'm tired. Are you being serious with the lin thing or is this just another mascot bit
Mascots are only fun if they know they’re a joke.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
lin is legit
melo is old now. im done with that bit
sin - February 12, 2012
lol, i think people can tolerate your melo craze over this
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
"melo is old now"
you realize if we traded for melo, like you said we “shoulda”, we’d still have him on the team for a long ass time right?
kpd - February 12, 2012
Sin:
Bipolar GM of the stars
Prevenge - February 12, 2012
ok, you answered that I guess
keep it in game threads only I guess.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
whoops
I sure guessed a lot there.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
What else can you do when sin's involved?
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Boozer's biggest fan right now: Luol Deng
If we didn’t sign Boozer, Deng would be the one being shat on to all hell tonight.
kpd - February 12, 2012
Luol Deng's a hero and a warrior
he sucked today though
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
watch it live it just felt like he wasn't involved at all
pierce did only have 9 pts though. he did theoretically perform better than pierce except on shooting %. hard to believe. i actually can’t believe he took 12 shots – didn’t feel like it at all.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
truth
Osaka - February 12, 2012 via mobile
i would also put some blame on the bench players like gibson and at times asik pissed me off
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
our bench bigs sucked.
luol was not good but neither was his counterpart. it was basically a wash there. it was all about the transition d. it was fucking terrible – and that’s everyone’s fault.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
yeah, at least this was the last game of the road trip
im still pissed that our schedule ended up this way.
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
i'm pissed i had to watch that live!
but i’d rather blow this game and have derrick get better. if we can get him at relative full strength and rip back, we’ll be a whole different team.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
yeah, and im getting the feeling they are shutting rose down till the all star break as well as rip
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
luckily we only have 5 games until then
including the celtics again and the hawks, but we almost beat the celtics today, i could see us able to pull it out at home, and the hawks well… you never know what you’re gonna get with those guys. and the other three, well we’ve already beaten 2 of them without derrick.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
actually no wait, he played against the bucks
still… meh
Jaina - February 12, 2012
I'm fearful.....
….the specialist comes back with some really bad news. I’m trying to remain positive , but awaiting to hear the news tomorrow about what is said.
3ptace - February 12, 2012
so he's seeing a specialist tomorrow?
i missed all the reporting cause i was actually there.
yikes. but i mean all this traveling can’t possibly help either. it’ll be good to get the guys home and him into some treatment where he doesn’t have to worry about being on a damn plane every other day. this’ll get his toe some rest too so maybe he won’t be compensating too much with his back once he returns.
Jaina - February 12, 2012
yeah, sitting o nthe plane and then walking around hurts like shit
the injury i had was like that when i was an undergrad.
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
i had similar symptoms to rose when i strained my back and it took me 3-4 weeks to heal
wit hte medical care he will get, it would be 2-3 weeks
Geo4MVP - February 12, 2012
He drove, stopped and took a jumper right into the guy's hand
Wtf was he thinking?!
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
A lot of Boozer hate
And I’ve been hating on him this thread and the last thousand as well, but it really just boils down to this; he isn’t what we had hoped he would be when we signed him. He isn’t as good as his contract would make him seem.
He cannot be trusted to be a primetime offensice preformer when it counts. We have to go to Rose, Deng, or an open Korver for that.
Booz is what he is – a streaky shooter, a mediocre athlete who has problems that are difficult to hide on defense, but he can get hot and really help the team. His rebounding is a saving grace, and he does communicate and support his teammates well. Sometimes that can be all the difference. We’ll see, I guess.
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Doug Thonus has been thinking Booz is maybe just Eddy Curry with defensive rebounding
keep him in and hope for early offense in halves, and if he doesn’t score sit him.
So no, not what they hoped to pay for. Worse yet I bet he’s amnestied not to improve the team but avoid the tax.
your friendly BullsBlogger - February 12, 2012
Honestly I used to have a lot more respect for Doug
but lately he’s been one of those guys that just throws his opinions out there without much evidence to back it up. I’d have to see exactly what he said, but my initial reaction is what the hell is he talking about?
Sam Smith wrote a highly rec-ed article about how Boozer is EXACTLY what the Bulls had hoped to pay for. Also I’m looking at their career numbers now, and none of the advanced metrics are similar at all.
To top it all off, Eddy Curry was a good player before he got paid and stopped trying. He admitted multiple times that he didn’t enjoy playing basketball, and essentially just did it for the money. He was a lottery pick who pissed away his career by not caring at all. Quite frankly, other than being low post scorers who shoot at a high percentage, a good thing I might add, I cant’ see the comparison between Boozer, who worked his ass off, and continues to do so, and Curry, who ate his ass off, at all.
slowmotion - February 12, 2012
Yeah no
Carlos Boozer’s basketball IQ is leagues above Eddy Curry’s. Curry never knew how to pass, how to properly set screens, and how to cut to the basket, all things that Boozer does extremely well.
Poloplaya14 - February 12, 2012
That's a thought that makes you think
and then go, “Wait…Doug Thonus, that’s an inside thought, at least until you can back it up better”
Brigade17 - February 12, 2012
Eddy Curry
hell no
T.Moore - February 12, 2012
I'll say this much,
if Rondo actually had any scoring skills beyond hitting layups, he should be going for 30 and 15 every night with the way defenses guard him. It’s pathetic that this guy can’t get 20 ppg despite being given wide open free throw area jumpers all game long. He’s a good player, but holy hell I can’t wait until he gets put in a situation where he’s gotta be a big time scorer for his team to win night in and night out. It may never come to that, but I sure hope it does.
dakoose - February 13, 2012
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