Since the Bulls latest back-to-back sweep, Bulls observers have gone through the 'hmm, Thibs is sure playing these guys a lot' and the 'this is ridiculous, he's playing them too much' stages. Now it's apparently the 'calm down all y'all back in stage two' stage.
In the immediate post-Pistons-game reaction in the BaB comments (always dangerous, I admit), there was some scrutiny of the Bulls media corps for not pressing Tom Thibodeau in the scrum about playing the starters with the game in hand. I reasoned that it's not like it's a new issue, and they're probably tired of being shot down by Thibs, who's confident in his style due to his success, and rightfully so.
And now instead we get this piece from the Trib's KC Johnson about how Thibs is just like everyone else. The Cliff'sNotes version:
There is also actual good stuff in there about how Thibs manages his off-days and shootarounds, and appropriate comparison of the Thibs-assisted and lockout-scheduled '99 Knicks.
The tone wavers between 'Thibs knows best' and 'just stop asking', which is appropriate I suppose. It's not like if Rose and Deng are tiring by the playoffs, and someone on the frontcourt is hurt again, that we'll all be happy to say 'I told you so' when referencing this strategy.
But it's definitely valid to question specific situations where some rest would be better, even if we recognize the Thibs method and the realities of the NBA.
Coincidentally, some injury follow-ups (and other stuff)!
"First quarter was good; I think just adrenaline. Second quarter, I felt a little pull, but there was no way that I was getting off the court. So I’ve just got to ice it down, get treatment, stim [electronic stimulation]," said Hamilton, who described his groin as "sore" after the game.
Mike Reinsdorf changes Bulls' biz structure, hiring Susan Goodenow (from Red Sox) as VP Branding/Comm. John Viola promoted 2 VP Corp Sales....Goodenow, Viola, Irwin Mandel, Steve Schanwald & Keith Brown make up new Exec Committee. Michael Reinsdorf is Pres/COO.
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In Thibs defense
LeBron and Wade play 36mpg and are both broken.
(Damn you Atlanta for losing to a James-less Wade-less Heat)
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
And Deng has not had a single injury since playing heavy minutes
Can’t stop the Deng Train
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
The Speed Theory remains in effect.
Dr. Handsome, D.D.S. - January 6, 2012
The Speed 2 Theory is still derivative crap though...
THEKILLERWHALE - January 6, 2012
I think VDN is the coaching equivalent of cruise control
tuluse - January 6, 2012
Don't know if this Goodenow is any good but Bulls could really use something new in their marketing
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
is it just me or
Van Gundy was praising Rose while sending bullets to other targets?
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
Well, Thibs is rubbing John Lucas in your face
Sam Smith
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
i like luc
As a 3rd string + id take his 3 over kyle.
Belize - January 6, 2012 via mobile
hmmm
john luc (pricard) the replacement of captain kirk…..
o_0
piccolomair - January 6, 2012
Longley?
Johannes Factotum - January 6, 2012
we know good players play a lot of minutes.
leaving them in the game with 2 minutes left and 14 point lead is just asking for stupid shit to happen.
obnoxious american - January 6, 2012
yeah, but...deal with it!
your friendly BullsBlogger - January 6, 2012
i love how fatuous that KC shit is. this is sports, complaining is exactly how people deal with "it".
well that and drinking i guess.
TheMoon - January 6, 2012
who else just learned a new word today?
your friendly BullsBlogger - January 6, 2012
I can't tell you how much irritation
this recursive discussion inspires.
Recursive.
BNielson - January 6, 2012
R...e...c...u...r...s...i...v...e
Recursive
ThorCo - January 6, 2012
Your next word is N*****F*****
BNielson - January 6, 2012
Derrick Comedy references are the win.
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
youve never seen the Big Lebowski?
Maude: “Lord, you can guess where it goes from here.”
The Dude: “He fixes the cable?”
Maude: “Don’t be fatuous, Jeffrey.”
TheMoon - January 6, 2012
You see a lot of quotes on the internet from the Dude and Walter
Going to Maude deserves some reverence. Well played.
BNielson - January 6, 2012
And very thorough
boyonthedock - January 6, 2012
derrick's playing tonight,
yee haw
obnoxious american - January 6, 2012
rec'd for Roseyness!!!
rsikes - January 6, 2012
wait a minute
is yee haw just a redneck way of saying “yeah”
dantheman3k - January 6, 2012
depends on how much you drink
obnoxious american - January 6, 2012
so much depends
upon
how much one
drinks
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
WOOOO... PARTAAAAY!!!
(Wait, where am I????)
Juiceboxjerry - January 6, 2012
William Carlos Williams reference
You win the thread
BNielson - January 6, 2012
pretty hardcore
obnoxious american - January 6, 2012
Screw WCW
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
Damn.
You just jumped up to the top of my “Most Reviled BaB Poster” list.
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
He is most assuredly not my taste.
To be honest, I appreciate him a lot more now than I did 5~6 years ago … but I still don’t like him.
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
also depends on your rednecks
That’s more of a south west redneck, your garden variety Illinois redneck will not use the phrase yee haw.
tuluse - January 6, 2012
Chuck Swirsky
rsikes - January 6, 2012
he wouldn't say otherwise
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
He even said as much
per Teddy Greenstein’s twitter
torch - January 6, 2012
JLIII is raising that banner after playing zero minutes in the Finals
he’ll have the last laugh. I’m not that concerned with JLIII. If CJ Watson was going to be out for an extended period, I’d be more worried.
More concerning to me is that the Bulls need a 3rd center. Just another big body to bang in case Omer or Noah get hurt. Preferably someone not named Chris Richard.
Basketball Smurf - January 6, 2012
I'm looking forward to Deng abusing Turkoglu tonight
livesinnoahsbasement - January 6, 2012
I'm worried about Howard doing hte same to Noah....and Howard's better than Deng...
Noah doesn’t seem to play well against Howard even when he was rolling. But that’s just from what I remember, not from looking at the stats.
majoyenrac - January 6, 2012
not really that worried about dwight going off
he had 40/15 against us before and we still won.
Jaina - January 6, 2012
I'm worried about Howard throwing the hammer down on D-Rose.
Sore elbow and everything.
Stretch5000 - January 6, 2012
im waiting for the day drose dunks on dwight
The same way mj did ewing
Belize - January 6, 2012 via mobile
Unlikely
Everytime he flies high on Dwight, he does a a hard foul and throws the kid on the floor
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
If you can't beat 'em...
Join ’emPhysically beat them.Johannes Factotum - January 6, 2012
I think stat heads do get a bit too wrapped up in minutes
I mean let’s say 32.5 is the typically MPG for an average starter, and the top 20 MPG guys average 37.2 (they do this year :)), I don’t know what the typical 5 man rotation is. I don’t think having guys in the 35-40 MPG is a huge deal, especially given our youth.
THE ONLY THING that is annoying is when teh games at hand (which for all purposes the Detroit game was almost from the tip, but especially from the time with Rose’s elbow injury) and Thibs has him or Deng still out there.
I mean there’s been plenty of games even the Memphis mockery game, where Deng could ahve sat 5-6 minutes sooner (if not really 24 minutes sooner—but I get playing him some of those minutes for fantasy folks nad for teh fans and him).
It’s just when the games at hand, there’s no purpose playing guys who’ve already logged past the typical average minute per game for a starter….in any season….nott just this shortened one.
But oh well, if the complaints are on MPG instead of on wins, I’d rather it be on MPG….
Injuries can happen if a guy plays 1 minute or 48 minutes in a game, I know the more minutes they play the greater chance of an injury, but still you roll with what you have. I just think stop putting your stars into positions where they could make an injury in an unnecessary end of game moment.
On another point, anyone know how to find the average minute per game a starter has?
Even better would be to see if your starting PG plays x minutes, starting C plays X minutes, etc….
It would just be kind of curious. It’s probably buried in basketball-reference.com someplace (which is where I grabbed that top 20 MPG average above)….
majoyenrac - January 6, 2012
The body adjusts well to physical demands
Anyone who played organized ball will tell you that it is ramping up to a high level of minutes that makes you tired or could injure. Once you reach a steady state your body adjusts to that level of activity- I don’t think consistently playing big minutes hurts as much as suddenly being forced into a 46 minute 2-OT game then playing the next night would hurt.
BNielson - January 6, 2012
Well I'm not (and presumably you aren't)
A top tier NBA starter athlete….
Or a superstar NBA athlete (and NBA athletes are some of the best in the world)…
So I think that changes that discussion from the common joe.
majoyenrac - January 6, 2012
How dare you presume I'm not a top tier NBA athlete
BNielson - January 6, 2012
Not unlike young pitchers in baseball.
The most stressful increase in innings isn’t from 180 to 220+, but instead more drastic, multiplicative increases (say from 70 IP to 150 IP).
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
Pitchers are pansy's
Deal with it.
majoyenrac - January 6, 2012
Might help your burn if you knew/used the distinction between possessives and plurals.
Deal with that.
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
Oooohhhh
You just served him and his middle school English teacher.
runningman - January 6, 2012
my fiance is a 11th grade english teacher in nowhereville, IL
They haven’t figured it out by then either D:
SidM - January 7, 2012
Grammar evisceration
pwned
BNielson - January 6, 2012
thats it
Freddyn - January 6, 2012
Doesn't sound like RIP will play tonight.
chicity773 - January 6, 2012
oops we signed an old man
::worried face::
your friendly BullsBlogger - January 6, 2012
At least he won't be able to chase me off his lawn with a pulled groin.
Poloplaya14 - January 6, 2012
Had to be done
BNielson - January 6, 2012
No no no no you're so stupid, you stupid face.
Rip Hamilton just missed a bunch of games over the last few years because he wasn’t having fun! There’s no possible way his body could break down after putting after so many years of deep playoff runs!
Ozzie Montana - January 6, 2012
It's a pulled groin
You’re acting as if he’s been battling this nagging injury for years now
Option27 - January 6, 2012
I stand corrected after reading the Friedell chat. I am worried
Option27 - January 6, 2012
no sex for Rip this season
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
Gonna have to tell the girls to climb on top
Brigade17 - January 6, 2012
If Rip doesn't play tonight, who is going to guard Richardson?
Never mind… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddms-RLOjOg
bryield - January 6, 2012
Kinda pissed not that it seems like he pushed it to play against that shitty Pistons team
Especially when we have real games (like tonight) coming up. I understand wanting to play against your former team, but come on man, there was no one in the fucking building. I would’ve taken one look at that crowd and said “Aww, fuck it.”
Juiceboxjerry - January 6, 2012
*Kinda pissed NOW
Juiceboxjerry - January 6, 2012
I agree with you
especially after seeing Friedell’s recent tweet (retweeted by our fearless leader):
Clearly, he had to know the Orlando game would be a more difficult win than the Detroit game, but forced it anyway. Honestly, it seems pretty selfish.
bryield - January 6, 2012
All I know is, if he comes back on Wednesday to show the Wizards what they missed out on
I’m gonna burn the Rip Hamilton jersey that I don’t own
Juiceboxjerry - January 6, 2012
And, actually, after reading this piece in the Tribune
it just solidifies the selfishness of the decision (link). Also, Rose doesn’t sound thrilled about Hamilton’s absence:
bryield - January 6, 2012
I think it's obvious that Rose is just pissed because Rip is stealing his favorite words:
Juiceboxjerry - January 6, 2012
my groin is also crazy
can never keep that thing in check
Rose Colored Goggles - January 6, 2012
right now I'm imagining Quagmire's
crazy pelvic every-which-way thrusting dance
SidM - January 6, 2012
I'm nominating it for a new tag line.
El Toro de Goro - January 6, 2012
That quote is just gold.
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
it was a selfish move, but he still got clearance to play
sure we don’t know how much he was pushing team doctors/trainers to let him play, but it didn’t seem like there was much press urging him to sit. and the guy is human. i understand letting his emotions get the best of him and convincing himself that he’s ready. unless he really prolongs his absence with this move, it actually doesn’t bother me that much.
Jaina - January 6, 2012
Yeah, it was kind of a selfish move
I don’t know if his continued play prolonged his rehabilitation time, but if he misses a lot more games I won’t be happy with him.
runningman - January 6, 2012
you forgot the two periods in his name.
TheMoon - January 6, 2012
As others have noted...
there are two distinct issues at play. It may well be reasonable to rely on Thibs judgment with respect to average minutes played, but I don’t see how anyone can argue that it is sensible to keep Rose and/or Deng in at the end of games that are clearly in the bag. Nothing positive can result from that kind of management, and yet injuries are always a possibility.
Paul Warfield - January 6, 2012
I disagree that "nothing" positive can result from that kind of management
For one thing, you don’t have teams coming back from 11 points down with 3 minutes to go like the Bulls did against the Lakers, or 19 down with a quarter to go like the Bulls did against the Hawks. Teams come back from big leads all the time, and Thibs is determined that will never happen to his team.
Another part of it is what Thibs said. He expects 100% effort the whole game, no matter what the score is. He doesn’t believe there is ever a time where you start to think the game is “in hand” and ease off the gas. Taking all your starters out would send a message he doesn’t want to send. It’s that philosophy that ensures his team keeps fighting when they’re down big and also when they’re up big. You’ll never hear Thibs use the phrase “garbage time”. I’d argue that his philosophy is a big reason why the Bulls outperformed their
I think we’re allowed to question it, and it scares me when I see the starters in past where I think it’s likely that they’re needed. At the same time, I think this is part of an overall philosophy that enables Thibs to win more games than any other coach would with this team. You’re never going to separate him from this style no matter how much you complain, and I know I’d rather have Thibs and the extra minutes over any other coach and less Rose/Deng in garbage time.
runningman - January 6, 2012
End of the second paragraph is supposed to be
“why the Bulls outperformed their expectations going into last year.”
runningman - January 6, 2012
Semantics...
We’re starting to deal with semantic distinctions. When I say the game is “in the bag”, I mean that barring an exceedingly rare collapse (i.e. the team in front makes numerous mistakes, misses shots, etc., and the other team fully capitalizes), the team that is well ahead will win.
The Bulls have an elite defensive team, which includes several of their back-ups (e.g. Brewer and Asik), so the likelihood of them blowing a big lead in the final couple of minutes is even more remote.
As far as message sending goes, I don’t agree with your perspective. I’d prefer to see Thibs send the message that he has confidence in his second-team to maintain a big, late lead. Whatever players are in at the end of a game should be expected to give 100% effort, so that’s not a relevant point.
Paul Warfield - January 6, 2012
It's not semantics, I understood exactly what you meant
I’m making the case that Thibs doesn’t believe there is any such thing as “in the bag”, and that even if it is, he doesn’t want to change anything. His philosophy is that you play the same way every minute of every game, and the score is irrelevant. If he’s not just playing lip service, and truly believes it, why would he change the way he coaches based on the score? You may want Thibs to coach more like other coaches, but if he did his team wouldn’t be the “overachievers” that they are.
Part of the reason the Bulls are an elite defensive team is because of the way Thibs enforces maximum effort at all times, no matter how remote the chances of them losing are. He gets mad when they allow a basket in the final second of 10 point game. This is my point… you may think you can pick and choose the good/bad parts of Thibs, but I think that they flow from the same place. His manic attention to detail produces both the best defense in the league and overworked starters. It’s exceedingly rare to overcome a 19 point deficit in one quarter, if Thibs didn’t have his team trained to ignore the score, do they come back or give up like most teams would?
It’s fine if you don’t agree with my perspective, but it is a valid perspective. Thibs sent the message in the Atlanta game that he trusts his reserves and if they are playing the best, they’ll stay on the floor. Every coach expects his team to give 100% effort, how many of them actually get it? It’s not something you can just say during huddles, it’s something you enforce through consistency, starting with the coach.
runningman - January 6, 2012
No, you didn't...
because if you had understood, then you wouldn’t have used examples such as the Atlanta and Laker games. The Bulls were up 18 with 2:56 to go. What would you have made the odds of them blowing that lead with Brewer, Asik, Taj, etc. on the floor? They couldn’t be trusted to hold that lead? Please.
Again, the maximum effort thing is not relevant, as it applies to all players. If the second team had showed signs of allowing big leads to dwindle in the final moments, then I could understand Thibs’ reluctance to take chances. But that hasn’t happened, has it?
They flow from the same place, therefore Thibs shouldn’t be criticized, and might not be better off adjusting the “bad” parts?
Paul Warfield - January 6, 2012
Somehow you can't understand the point that I made 15,000 times
that it doesn’t matter what the odds were, because that’s not part of the calculation he makes.
When did I say he shouldn’t be criticized? You’d think you’d include that part in the quote if I ever said it or hinted at it. I am saying that it’s not going to change no matter how much you criticize him, and that you should also recognize that there are positives that flow from his stubbornness. if he was less obsessive, the Bulls would have less wins.
I’m willing to take that tradeoff.
runningman - January 6, 2012
If it's not part of the calculation he makes...
then it’s a clear failing on his part, and there is good reason to criticize it.
Nothing that I have said suggests that I don’t appreciate the positive elements of his personality (or his coaching). I’m delighted to have him as the Bulls coach, just as I am delighted to have Rose on the team. But both of them have weaknesses, and while everyone can see that Rose is striving to improve his game, you and I apparently disagree on whether or not Thibs is capable of developing as a coach in this particular vein.
Perhaps, as you suggest, he is too stubborn to make the adjustment.
As far as changing Thibs (or the Bulls front office, or a particular player’s approach to the game), I don’t believe that anyone who posts on this forum is naïve enough to think that their contributions are likely to have that kind of impact.
Finally…
that may be true. What isn’t clear, however, is whether or not they would get as far, or perhaps even farther into the playoffs, if he managed players minutes more conservatively.
Paul Warfield - January 6, 2012
Your last name is way, way too close to Westphal.
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
Paul needs a new job
He’s probably on every team’s blog, talking about the terrible decisions made by their coach.
runningman - January 6, 2012
"What the hell! Why are you making Derrick Rose pass?"
“That’s the opposite of good offense”
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
also...
That may be true…at least until Rose gets hurt either by some pissed off opponent who resents the starters being in so late in a blow-out, or by sheer bad luck.
Paul Warfield - January 6, 2012
Well, then we get to see those great bench players play more
runningman - January 6, 2012
We don't matter for marketing purposes.
we are already hooked. Doesn’t matter what the ad people do, we’re still going to talk about the bulls on off days, quibble over minutes, buy tix/merch, etc. Marketing is what got the Atlanta game the highest ratings yet for CSN and why my little sister and girlfriend want Rose jerseys. I’d say they are doing a pretty good job, of late.
boyonthedock - January 6, 2012
Random thought of the day
I wish Rip would convince Sheed to come out of retirement and be the Bulls 5th big
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
You really believe Sheed stayed in shape?
diedaily23 - January 6, 2012
yeah that may be an issue
but if he is not too bad he can do it before the playoffs
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
He had a whole season of playing with Boston
and never really got in shape.
runningman - January 6, 2012
he wouldn't play much
4 minutes, one 3 pointer, 2 boards and a technical foul
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
I have never attempted electronic stimulation on my groin.
Only manual.
chapuforyou - January 6, 2012
treat yoself
boyonthedock - January 6, 2012
I knew someone was coming with this
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
and I knew someone was coming with that.
your friendly BullsBlogger - January 6, 2012
More concerned that there have only been 3 groin jokes
BaB is off its game today.
BNielson - January 6, 2012
When I feel a pull on my groin,
that’s when I know the game’s just getting interesting.
runningman - January 6, 2012
Me and a buddy got into a fight over an xbox controller when I was younger
he had brought his over, and he wanted to take mine which worked better. After arguing and tugging it back and forth for a while, I proposed that we settle it like men. I suggested that we take turns kicking each other in the groin, and that whoever gave up first would lose the controller. Since it was my house, I got to go first. So I wind up and kick him as hard as I could, right in the groin. He doubles over and is basically motionless for like 10 minutes. He eventually got up and says in a squeaky voice that it’s his turn now.
“That’s okay,” I said, “you can keep it.”
runningman - January 6, 2012
This is great
bryield - January 6, 2012
This is how we should elect presidents
MilkThenClear - January 6, 2012
A good bout of rochambeau
tuluse - January 6, 2012
It's weird that Hamilton reinjured his groin so quickly
When I pull my groin it usually takes at least an hour before it results in injury.
runningman - January 6, 2012
Kobe would play with a groin pull.
JockstrapNoah - January 6, 2012
And then he'd miss 22 of 26 shots
because he’s KOBE
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
Kobe would play if you cut off his arms and legs and replaced his eyes with firecrackers.
But Kobe isn’t on this team so I don’t really give two shits.
Ozzie Montana - January 6, 2012
it's only a flesh wound
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
He would in Colorado, anyway.
runningman - January 6, 2012
Defintely starting to feel better about the groin joke intensity of BaB
BNielson - January 6, 2012
Glad I could help
runningman - January 6, 2012
He did in 2003
But then his wife caught him getting his groin pulled
WalmartSecurity - January 6, 2012
Because I'm bored (Friedell chat)
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chicago/chat/_/id/41975
Basketball Smurf - January 6, 2012
No can be more frustrated than Thibs
Who eats. breaths , sleeps, and makes sweet, sweet love to defense.
RogersPark Kris - January 6, 2012
Who takes it for long walks in the park and feeds it a homemade lunch
Whispers in it’s ear that he’s never gonna give it up, or let it down.
Tucks it in at night, and just listens to it breathe while he lays there.
Rubs it’s feet after a hard day it work and listens to it bitch about it’s co-worker, offense, who would be nothing without D.
Knows it so well that he can finish it’s sentences, tell when it’s sad without it speaking, and knows just what to do to make it smile…
Is anyone else getting a little warm?
runningman - January 6, 2012
He lets defense pick the movie
it is usually game film
boyonthedock - January 6, 2012
"Is anyone else getting a little warm?"
You sure that isn’t the electro-stimulation?
jpx7 - January 6, 2012
Thibs:
“We’re no strangers to looooove, defense,
you know the rules – and so do I!
A good commitment’s what I’m thinking of,
you wouldn’t get this from any other guy!
I just want to tellyou how I’m feeling,
got to make you understand -
Never gonna give you up,
never gonna let you down,
never gonna fool around and desert you,
never gonna make you cry,
never gonna say goodbye,
never gonna tell a lie,
and hurt you.
Prevenge - January 6, 2012
Playing Boozer does hurt defense.
cubbybear - January 6, 2012
lol
thibsrolled
SidM - January 7, 2012
If Boozer played defense, he would lose time to shouting.
jrobulls - January 6, 2012
I would be worried if I didn't have Friedell among the worst guys in the job
JustAnotherFan - January 6, 2012
Hey gang,
THEKILLERWHALE - January 6, 2012
Hey
the Heat are benching Wade and James with less than severe injuries (and still winning games the bastards). Should we employ a similar strategy as the playoffs approach. Imagine going against the Heat if they had a weeks worth of rest before the playoffs and we played grind-it-out basketball for 66 games. Would this provide them with a significant advantage?
THEKILLERWHALE - January 6, 2012
NO. STARTERS IN UNTIL GAME IS FOR SURE OVER
obnoxious american - January 6, 2012
Then it's Scal-a-time-ee
cubbybear - January 6, 2012
There's usually a natural gap before the playoffs and plenty of time between each game
I haven’t looked at this year’s schedule though. A better strategy is get the #1 seed, sweep their second round matchup, and then get their rest before the ECF.
runningman - January 6, 2012
The playoffs start 1 day after the regular season this year
and there will be back to backs in series due to the lockout
Basketball Smurf - January 6, 2012
1 day? Interesting.
Seems like depth is going to be a bigger factor than usual in this year’s playoffs.
runningman - January 6, 2012
Seriously? Back to backs in the playoffs?
Did the same thing happen in 1999?
Ozzie Montana - January 6, 2012
eh, not for sure, its a possibility
http://losangeles.sbnation.com/los-angeles-lakers/2011/11/27/2591343/lakers-nba-season-schedule-2011-2012-opening-day-christmas-bulls-playoffs-finals
I’m guessing if we get some 6 game or 7 game 1st round series, we will see back to backs in the 2nd round.
Basketball Smurf - January 6, 2012
I think Wade may be really hurt
I think we can wait a bit before we start resting people. I don’t how much rest in game 7 of the season will actually keep them fresh at the end of the year.
Basketball Smurf - January 6, 2012
Lucky for them
The Hawks are the dumbest team ever
T.Moore - January 6, 2012
There's a weird vibe in this thread. It makes me nervous.
bryield - January 6, 2012
You aren't on drugs, are you?
cubbybear - January 6, 2012
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