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Despite his backups' solid play, Rose planning to play Monday

Derrick Rose is "telling people he plans to play on Monday" when the Bulls host the Nets at the United Center, K.C. Johnson reported, adding:

As for Rose, he told teammates on Friday in Cleveland he planned to play and didn't. So the morning shootaround could determine if he can play on his sprained big left toe.

In the four games missed by Rose last week, C.J. Watson, John Lucas III, and Mike James combined for 95 points, 40 assists, and 15 turnovers (23.8, 10, and 3.8 per game), shooting a .544 eFG%, according to Basketball-Reference.com. Watson's led the way with three starts, 31.0 MPG, 16.5 PPG, 6.0 APG, shooting a .598 eFG%, averaging 10.3 shots per game and nailing 81% of his 21 trips to the line.

Star-divide

Rose has missed five of the last seven games, is admitting he likely shouldn't have played in the two games he did, and says the injury's lingered since first sustaining it in the 2010 playoffs:

Rose said he has been dealing with the injury in his left big toe off and on since his second season in the league, in 2010, when he believes he injured it during the Bulls' playoff series against the Cavaliers.

"I wasn't able to bend my toe in like three years so when [the injury] happened, it bent it and it aggravated it ... I forgot when I played on it again," Rose said. "I played on it sooner than when I was supposed to play on it and it was real bad."

Rose admitted that he has to be a little more careful with the injury.

"Yeah, knowing that right when it starts feeling good, it could go right back to zero," Rose said. "I definitely want to be out there playing, but I got to make the smartest decision."

After Rose, Lucas (groin), Joakim Noah (ankle), Taj Gibson (high ankle sprain) all sat out Saturday's win over the Bobcats, it was announced that Luol Deng sprained his wrist in the game. K.C. reported Deng may not be able to suit up Monday, making it more difficult for the Bulls to simply have a team to put on the court. The "line between tough, stupid, and necessary" are becoming further blurred.

To add a sixth big man on the roster so the rotation isn't limited to Carlos Boozer, Omer Asik, and Brian Scalabrine, the Bulls would have to either sign a big to a ten-day contract or pay the luxury tax, K.C. added, making an addition "unlikely at this point". Sorry, Leon Powe fans.

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me no likey

its not as common in basketball, but turf toe ends careers. this, plus Rose admitting last year he’s already lost 3 inches on his vertical… I just hope his athleticism isn’t in line for a rapid decline.

well, it doesn't mean he won't get that athleticism back.

if he can let the damn toe heal. there is zero point to him playing the nets.

Ends careers?
yessir

two former Dolphins WRs come to mind. Oronde Gadsden, and OJ McDuffie

correction: not Oronde Gadsden

but definitely McDuffie

Can we add a disabled list?

Or expand rosters this season? Hello? Mr. Stern? Hellooooo….

What I don't get is if Rose's injury was that bad after the cleveland series, why didn't

the medical staff advise him to rest for 3 straight weeks to let it heal completely. Or are we still not sure if it’s actually turf toe, or more of a minor sprain? I wish he would just rest until it’s completely healed. Even if he feels no discomfort, it doesn’t mean it’s completely healed. He can end up re-aggravating it.

My guess is that there just isn't a clear diagnosis.

With that seeming to be the case…siding on the side of caution with your franchise player would seem to be the safe bet.

We need to hire the Phoenix Suns medical staff

I mean, they kept Shaq healthy for a whole season??

I'm not sure about this

On the one hand, it seems like Rose understands the caution he needs to take. On the other hand, it seems like he just wants to play. That said, if the injury has been nagging since early in his career, he may simply have to learn to play with it. I’m not a doctor, but I know for sure that the Bulls could lose plenty of games and still be in good shape going into the playoffs. Heck, at least don’t bother coming back until the top seed is in real jeopardy. Indy and Orlando are still 2.5 games back. Until they are tied for the top seed, why would Rose even bother coming back?

Some news
CSNBullsInsider Aggrey Sam
Thibs: Lu is at the doctor now, undecided on who’d start in his place, Derrick did everything at shootaround, currently shooting, looks ok
and
CSNBullsInsider Aggrey Sam
Derrick: toe is a little sore, feels decent, gametime decision

I hope he doesn’t play.

"Jo likely in"
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
DRose gametime vs. Nets. Deng, Taj out. Jo likely in.
currently shooting, looks ok

umm..its the toe, not his wrist thibs

Also, this from KC
@KCJHoop K.C Johnson
DRose said he knows toe won’t be 100 percent this season but likely will play. Did entire shootaround. #Bulls

So, I guess Rose has accepted the fact that he’ll have to play injured this season? He must be trying to out-Kobe Kobe…

the question is

is he accepting the fact or he is just being stubborn when in fact he can heal?

My guess is the latter
i hope thibs and the doctors keep him out!

damn it medical staff, do ur fuckin job and hold him out.

Well, he said he hasn't been able to bend the toe in three years,

so he’s kind of been playing hurt for a while now.

My vote for back big goes to DJ Mbenga

I hope Drose sits this one. I’m fine losing the 1st seed if it means having Drose healthy and fresh in the playoffs

I hope Butler can get some burn tonight with Deng out

OT: it surprises me that no one has signed Bogans

He’s a decent backup that can defend guys like dwade and hit the occasional 3. Gives you win when he scores 6pts too. A team like the knicks could use him, he can defend while shumpert and carmelo chucks on offense

they are getting davis back next week

i think they will get hot somewhere next week

damn
ESPNChiBulls Nick Friedell
Bulls are hoping Deng will be OK, but Rose sounded like a guy who knows his teammate may be out for a while.
shit, dont tell me its ligamnet damage...

fuck!

Better than decapitation. Only just.
that's what the MRI is for, so who knows

Lu said he doesn’t even remember what particular play it happened on, which is actually scary to me…like if he hit it on the rim or something that’d be more of a bruise than the ligaments.

im thinking it is..
It was on impact...

So it’s likely to have been torn to some degree, not extended.

Ah christ on a cracker.
KC:
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Fact Deng got MRI yesterday and is at doctor today means he could be out a bit. Wrote yesterday #Bulls will be conservative with injury.
it means more brewer/korver/butler

boo yeah!

strange source of excitement.
(i do hope you can sense the sarcasm)
At the very least it means we can get something new to watch.

The Bulls are really good, but throwing a wrench like Butler in there makes things a bit more interesting.

shoot, what if he turns out to be a player like brooks
Yeah but being conservative with Luol Deng means playing him 38 minutes instead of 46.
Everyone needs to chill out

We have Jimmy Pippen on the bench [joking… heh… kind of… really hope I’m right]

Does Rose ever sound like anything?

but if he knows something about Deng, I hope that isn’t why Rose himself is pushing to play tonight.

Yes, he does - usually sad.

And now I’ll acknowledge sucking up by restarting your failed “Sad Rose” meme.

To be fair to yfBB

I failed at it first.

But, yeah, Rose is incredibly emo at all times.

im really gonna hate thibs if he is

this dude burns more guys than lil kim’s ratchet pumpum

this doesn't look to be a 'burnout' type injury, but

Deng exited Saturday’s game to get the wrist taped, and Thibs put him back in with 2:42 left and the Bulls up 9.

post-game Thibs said ‘Deng said he was fine’. I mean, I get it, but at some point there’s coaches discretion in these things. The Bobcats need entire quarters to score 9 points.

...and you would think he got that from working with the kg/pierce/allen
Deng left with a 15 point lead at 5:24

The Bobcats then scored 6 straight points, and Thibs brought him back with a 9 point lead at 2:42. It’s highly unlikely they could have come back, but things were moving in the wrong direction.

Bobcats had a 10-0 run

Can’t blame him for putting him back in when he did

Well, today sucks so far.
Does this help?

???

Shit. Maybe the Bulls should sign Peppers for depth.

He would give us more than Chris Richards.

We should lure DRose away from the UC with a trail of Skittles

Skittles : DRose :: ET : Reese’s Pieces, right?

More like

Skittles : DRose :: Superman : Kryptonite

Skittles : DRose :: Superman : Louis Lane, no?

Louis?

That’s an LGBT friendly variation I’ve not heard before

blogabull does not discrimate

except if your an alien..

fuck rondo

You are aware superman is an alien right?
well played sir, well played
Which is why Dwight refuses to come here
well, heres the brightside...

itll give butler more mins…lets see what hes made of.

Ricky Davis is available.

THANK GOD

This is starting to look really bad
KCJHoop K.C Johnson
Telling quote (slip?) on Deng from Thibs: “We’re disappointed for him that he’s injured because he’s put so much work into it.” #Bulls
im guessing hes out for a month...
at least a month
It would suck if he misses the all star but we can live with that

But he needs to come back in time to get ready for the playoffs

had to look this up: he injured his right wrist in his rookie year (this is the left)
It's one way to get Deng some rest...
Well, we certainly may see what we have in Jimmy Butler

This compacted season is ridiculous. While it is not the source of most of the Bulls injuries (Deng’s was on a normal play, Derrick’s on diving for a loose ball, Noah came down on someone’s foot etc), what really sucks is how many games you miss! You could miss a month in a normal season and miss 4 or 5 less games! That said, the Bulls are at the best possible point of their schedule to pile up injuries. Come middle of February, things are going to get tough. If the Bulls have some semblance of health by then and can carry that into the playoffs, they should be fine.

OT: Heat just lost to Milwaukee last night and Bulls still have a 2.5 game lead on the top spot in the East. Despite all the shitty news, Bulls still sitting pretty and playing great.

yeah i mean these injuries came at the "best" possible time

we’ve played shit opponents for a few weeks now. starting with the mia game it’ll be a bit tougher – 9 game trip (after we’ve already played the most road games in the league!! JFC), but then we have 2 major homestands (one before the all star break, one after), and only one back to back before the all star break.

like other people have said,

the bulls have made their point. get guys rest NOW, worry about records later. kick ass, repeat.

yep

and on hollingers power rankings they have the last 10 SOS – ours is .388. damn lol. by far the lowest on the first page.

actually, by far the lowest in general
Ya, but what his SOS doesn't take into account is

That the Bulls have played the most games of any team in the NBA.

oh, i know

i was just remarking on just how bad the teams we’ve been playing have been.

Show me some Jimmy Butler

I’ve been dying for Thibs to put him out there so Lu isn’t playing 40 minutes a night.

hmmm...maybe a blessing in disguise?
i have this bad fear

that we find out butler isnt really all that good

everybody wants to see more jimmy

but you are being irrational about it

jus trying to avoid reality...

im still waiting anxiously for an update on this injury

I'd rather face a full Miami roster with Deng

than face a Wade-less Miami without Deng

and then when deng goes out for the season and noah is still playing like crap

lets see people defend not trading two injury prone players for melo

or the more relevant one right now, not wanting to trade them for dwight

What happened to the moratorium?
If this Deng injury really does turn out to be serious, GarPax may need to explore a trade, no?

Paul Pierce, Gerald Henderson, Omri Casspi, Tayshaun, Grant Hill and Josh Howard are all good two way options at SF. None are as good as Lt. Deng, but if this injury is season-ending, what do they do?

Would the Bulls just slide Brewer in at 3 and go Rose/Rip/Brew/Booz/Jo? They don’t lose much on D but Rose and Booz would have to pick up the offense without the Sudanese Breeze.

id go for pierce
Pierce is good, but you'd have to be willing to take on 2 more years of contract after this one.

He’s due 16.8 million next year and 15.3 the year after. Also, I don’t know how you can possibly make that deal work; the Bulls would have to trade some significant players to make the money work.

you take him this year

Next year he’s an expiring contract you can just pawn off

Agreed

But the second part of that is the problem. Who would the Bulls have to give up to get him?

boozer deng + mirotic for kg pierce gogogogo
Can't trade an injured player can you?
Oh

And fuck giving up Mirotic.

Mirotic isn't untouchable

though chasing a ring when Luol Deng’s hurt for the season seems short-sighted.

That's what I meant

You can give him up certainly, but not for this.

we should be chasing a ring every year rose is here

Already wasted two with.that clown vinny

no team was winning shit with year one and 2 rose.
that's right

time to become the Arenas-era Magic

I wouldn't trade him

For an old and busted KG..

I think you can if both sides agree on it
Oh

Well, celts would not agree to this anyway. They take on longer contracts for players that are arguably not as good or at the same level.

that's why you throw in a pick or mirotic
so then we turn into the

6-9 celtics? uh….

with a real point guard

Zing! Fuck rondo

wow, has this blog gone insane even with no official word on deng's length of injury???
just talkin'

I mean, it’s possible he’s out for the year, it’d be devastating beyond something a trade could fix, IMO. Maybe.

yeah, i hope the injury doesnt go beyond 2 months.
Sin, read my comment again.

He’s signed for two more years after this one. He wouldn’t be an expiring deal until two season from now.

final season is $4-5m guaranteed

per Sham.

Ah, I was getting my info from hoopshype.

But that’s still a decent amount of cash. If Deng is out for a while and GarPax do go out and try to fix a deal, I’d say go all in on Gerald Henderson. I’ve really liked him for a couple of years now, and he can slide in for Lu the rest of this season and then take over at the 2 whenever Rip is done here. He’s a little undersized (6"5) at the 3 but he’s my favorite of most of the options out there. If they can pull it off, a Rose-Henderson backcourt is one that could be here for the next decade.

Also, in order to make the contracts match, you're gonna have to send a lot back (like Brewer + Korver at least), which would kill our depth.
Sam smith?
worse than sam smith

its sin!

tonights starters, possible

CJ
RIP
Booze
OMER
Butler!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should beat NJ right?

lol jimmy wouldn't get the start

it’d be brew, i assume.

dude jimmy couldn’t even get in the game in a game where 3 major players were injured…

i forgot about brew
we gonna murder then...quik somebody call the ambulamps!
Am I missing something or are people just taking that random stuff as fact?
dougthonus Doug Thonus
Wow, just caught up on the Deng stuff. That doesn’t sound good at all. Hopefully he’s back for the playoffs if it is as bad as it sounds.
Don't get it either

What is going on?

I know. What the hell is he referring to? This is insane!
Do you think that he just read Thib's statement?

Is anyone on twitter who can ask him to elaborate?
Should I just chill the hell out?

i think everyones taking that random blog as fact

when there is no evidence that he knows anything.

hes referring to the statement...

otherwise, we would have some news on the length of injury before Doug Thonus tweet.

I think it's the latter, I asked him just in case

this is why I have more followers than any of ’em.

though Doug does have more inside sources than me
Has he used them to break anything useful?

I’d rather listen to the guy who says he has no sources. At least I don’t have to weigh everything he says, considering whether it’s pure opinion or leaked information.

What in the hell is that about?

Has there even been the slightest hint that it could be THAT serious?

Man this board is tweaking today.

gotta head out for awhile sheesh.

Lol yep

Gettin a little alarmist in here

at the very least, rose should take the night off...

his toe can heal properly, but hes being reckless.

He sounds discouraged

Like he knows that this is something that can pop up again no mater what. The thing is, if he tries to compensate for the pain in that toe, he could very easily injure something else. Especially when Thibs is playing him 40 minutes a game

I would just completely concede on seeding right now

Fuck it all. Get everyone completely healthy.

My guess is that all the gloom is because Deng will miss the All Star Game

which indeed is pretty shitty

yeah, hope that's all it is. Just a month or something

We can go a month without him

it will very shitty for Deng tho

hopefully it makes him even more hungry for the championship – if that’s even possible

the man i s as hungry as any damn superstar in the league
that was completely uncalled-for!

he’s from africa. we get it!

could also mean that he's out long enough to hurt his chances of getting the coach's vote

not even necessarily being out till the actual game…

man… wish we’d hear some news.

I think if he's hurt for anything more than a week, that all but kills his chances as an All Star

He was borderline to begin with, and if he’s out for a while? No chance

tbh, as selfish as it sounds...i would prefer no one plays in the all star game from the bulls
Too Deng it would be very special, imo

I’d like to watch him in Orlando

lol
chicagobulls Chicago Bulls
BMO Harris Bank Pregame Live on Bulls.com @ 6:30 p.m. Scheduled guests: ScottiePippen, GM Gar Forman & <strong>BrianColeMD
oops, meant to bold the fact that Bulls doctor Brian Cole was gonna be one of the guests on the pre game show

Which says a lot

He's the most important man on the Bulls right now
hey now we know who to tweet to bench Rose
Stupid HeatSPN

If it Norris Cole were injured we would have details by now.

there would be a team in the hospital
The Heat index would be bedside.
Weren't they giving minute-by-minute body temperature reports of LeBron's fever?
lebron's suppository ...now showing on ESPN3
Well, I doubt they used a suppository because then Bosh

would have to take his……….

That was too easy.

I'm blaming BAB

You bastards wanted Deng to rest soo much, now he got his rest.

:tears:

OT: i know this is a stupid question, but when the hell are they gonna have an all star game in chicago?!!
Probably not for awhile

They did it 20 years or so ago. But it seems like they like giving them to cities that build new stadiums or are good vacation destinations.

oh well, at least we had the mlb all star game in Chicago 2004
When Dwight puts Chicago on his list

In other words, when global warming causes a temperature shift. They overwhelmingly prefer to have these things in warm cities.

yeah, hence why i said stupid question, but it ticks me off chicago never get the big all star games

or SB for some time (baseball being the exception)

probably never

the team (reinsdorf?) stance is that they want the season ticketholders to be able to go or something…

this deng news is like a punch in the stomach

we won’t have a shot without him (if he misses the playoffs) and it’s making me sick.

Could just be saving him for our division foes on Wednesday
kept saying it

and thank you to KC Johnson for not asking it, but it’s not a question of total minutes in a season. It’s about the frequency of minutes as well, and there has never been a season of this density. Constant playing of your best players a la last season doesn’t work this year. Thibs, for all his tremendous gifts, needs to see the pressing need for rotation and adjust. Subbing in Luol with 2 minutes left and Bulls up nine doesn’t reflect this.

And if you told me at the beginning of the season that nearly half the Bulls’ roster would be injured simultaneously, I’d ask first about Boozer. But G-d bless him, he’s the only thing preventing a season collapse for the next 2 weeks.

Minutes, whether it be frequency or number,

has got nothing to do with luol’s injury. You don’t screw up your wrists because you played too many minutes. It might wear down your knees and ankles, but your wrists will be fine.

Does anyone know how often Bulls.com updates their injury report?

I usually steer clear of “official websites” but I noticed that Deng is still listed as a gametime decision. Does that mean anything?

hasnt been updated for some time

well find out bout his status in bout 1 hour.

hmm?
Luol Deng just entered United Center with left wrist heavily bandaged. Said he was “OK” but said that last night, too. #bulls
hmmm...well, thats normal for a wrist sprain with moderate ligament damage

im getting more optimistic!

link or GTFO
u seem very lively today yfbb
i don't know how to link a single tweet but here ya go

https://twitter.com/#!/bynhayes

Game preview posted, mostly just a continuation of this speculation on Deng

I mean, it IS a story…

http://www.blogabull.com/2012/1/23/2728309/bulls-vs-new-jersey-nets-game-preview-19

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