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Bulls 111, Timberwolves 100: Rose, then Rubio, then Rose. Bulls once again ride MVP to win, and frontcourt to bench

You can't help but be caught up in Rubio fever when watching a Timberwolves game. And maybe the fact that Rick Adelman makes you wait 10 minutes before seeing the guy only fuels that. Until that point, Derrick Rose took advantage of his much ballyhooed rivalry with Minnesota starter Luke Ridnour, hitting his first six shots (including two 3-pointers). Rose soon exited after his ankle was fell upon by Anthony Tolliver during a loose ball situation, but the Bulls bench kept the heat on to the point where they were up 24 points and shooting 65% to the Wolves 27%.

But then the Wolves found a solid lineup with Rubio at the helm with support from Kevin Love and Anthony Randolph, closing the first half on a 20-2 run and surging through the 3rd quarter to eventually tie the game. Rubio started the 2nd half to keep that run going, and may have permanently won the job on this night. And interesting to see first-hand why there's been all that griping regarding Minny's starting lineup in the first place, he and that lineup were extremely impressive. Not much more than what a lot of us have seen in highlights over the opening weeks to the season, but still something to see in an extended viewing how he can make plays for teammates effortlessly yet precisely, and is always looking to do so. And even on defense: he no-doubt will struggle against many NBA PGs first steps (least of which being Derrick's), but showed impressive hands and even swiped the ball straight-up from Rose a couple times.

Meanwhile in the time where Minnesota closed the gap, Rose himself did not look like he had overcome the ankle sprain from earlier. There are always flashes of explosiveness even when he's hobbling, but you know when he's not looking to take over even on broken possessions both how great he is at his peak, and also how much the Bulls need him to be at that peak. The offense slows to a standstill without him forcing the defense to move, as though both Boozer and Noah had solid starts to the game (perhaps buoyed by the awful Wolves starting lineup) they showed yet again how they can't be counted on to carry the offensive load even for spurts.

And by the fourth quarter both starting bigs were benched for good. The Bulls frontcourt depth once again paved the way to victory as both Taj and Asik were able to provide a more active defense to force some transition opportunities. It's a luxury, but also still a story unless you believe that the bench bigs are the Bulls best chance to beat Miami. Until then, it'll always a concern when the ideal best option can't show it.

But who definitely showed it all night and carried the team even when Rose was slowed down was Luol Deng. 42 minutes (Rose played the same on the injured ankle, minutes-watchers), 11 rebounds and 21 points on 9-17 shooting. He guarded Wes Johnson to start the game and Kevin Love to finish it. Luol even found his 3-point stroke a bit going 2-4, and the team as a whole shot great from that range between him, Rose (4-8, minus at least one heave) and Kyle Korver (3-3). Korver was speculated (here) to be likely out of the rotation this season with the signing of Rip Hamilton and an improved Ronnie Brewer. Brewer has certainly stayed improved (17 points on 10 shots tonight), but Korver has been a consistent boost as well, going 14-26 from distance in his past four, a roll that's been especially timely with Rip and CJ Watson unable to play.

The Bulls were extremely backcourt heavy tonight, with Boozer/Noah/Asik/Gibson only accounting for 25 of the team's 111 points. The Wolves indeed allowed the Bulls to play small, but once again that was also out of necessity as well as opportunity. Whether its Boozer shooting from too far, or Noah not even being able to shoot before a guard ripped the ball from him, the Bulls were forced to rely on activity plays from their bench bigs (though Asik actually threw in a couple moves today over the much-shorter Love) instead of something that can be considered solid and sustained frontcourt scoring.

Often times, it's enough. The Bulls did ultimately win by 11, and Derrick Rose yet again made fantastic late plays to seal the victory, sore ankle be damned (and sure to never be admitted). The Timberwolves look like a team that will have a lot of close losses, and the Bulls as we know are a team that simply wins with that defense+Rose formula. This one may have been tougher than expected, but they get an extremely soft landing with a home date against the Wizards. So yet again, they stay great without looking particularly great, and we're left wondering just how real it is. I suppose it's real until it isn't.

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OT: Kobe is having a crazy game too

32 pts shooting greater than 50 percent. And once again, it looks liek the heat will beat a crappy warriors team

I got worried as soon as Rose got hurt

you could tell immediately he was testing it the remainder of the quarter. similar to the injury vs Indy in the playoffs (though that was worse), you can tell even a tweak really takes away from his explosiveness. definitely something to watch.

I guess I’m ok with Noah & Booz on the bench late as long as we’re winning, and the depth has really been an asset (but will it really help vs Miami in the playoffs?). I just think Asik has such an impact with his defense that it’s important to have him out there in the 4th when the game is decided. he really is a game-changer.

really hope there’s no let down tomorrow. sweeping a b2b2b would be sweeeet!

yeah, that was a mild sprain

hopefully the bulls can get CJ watson back asap as well as rip, it can def ease Rose duties. I cant wait till this fuckin month is over with.

Lucas is playing pretty well on offense.
I'd like to see Rose get a little smarter so that he doesn't have to use his athleticism as much to score

Just as an example: I think I counted at least three times in tonight’s game where he drove, pulled up, and his defender would jump in the air. If Rose was smart, he would just jump into the contact and get a few easy free throws (common vet move), but for some reason he avoided it, and tried to make a difficult pass to an open teammate. I know it’s nit-picking when he has performances like he had tonight, but doing things like that will be helpful for when he doesn’t have it rolling

yeah, but i think the part was also the frontbourt playing like shit on offense

once rip returns, i think hell have more room to operate and score.

its defintely nitpicking

“if he were smart” I didnt know you could play at his level and not know the game a little bit.

"Smart-ER". There's a difference.
Now I'm nit-picking:

You said “smart,” not “smarter” (as well as bungling the whole conditional-aspect, “were” in place of “was” thing).

However, I do agree with your actual premise, nit-picking aside.

I would like to seem him post up small guards.
they changed this rule

you can’t jump into contact anymore

Just because the NBA change the rule

doesn’t mean they will enforce it

I worry about Noah even more than Boozer.

If Noah keeps playing like shit I could see the org shipping him this off-season for some perimeter firepower (Iggy)?.

Boozer is unreadable and if Asik and Taj keep outplaying Noah, it’ll be tough to justify that expensive frontline. I can see Noah being the odd man out if he doesn’t step it up.

fuck, if we get iggy, ill be so damn ecstatic

a damn good ball handler and solid defender. easily the MVP of the sixers.

ha! I just went to the trade machine to try to trade Noah for Gordon or Harden

but its down for maintenance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

If the Bulls did trade Noah for Gordon

now would probably be the time to do it, since Noah’s trade value is presumably low (than usual) and Gordon is still sidelined with an injury for a few weeks.

why would we want Gordon? I am assuming you mean Ben Gordon
No - I assumed Smurf was referring to Eric Gordon
that is a MUCH better idea

sorry, some folks here harbor man crushes on Ben Gordon

Let's be clear

I do have a small man crush for BG, but not enough to trade Noah for him…

yes i was referring to eric gordon
I wonder if Gordon being in N.O. makes him more available for his free agency.

He should feel no loyalty towards the Hornets organization. Of course if the Bulls have no money then it won’t matter, but if it’s even a possibility to make a move for him or sign him then you have to look into it.

Of course if he turns out to be injury prone…

Could work out a sign and trade
if you amnestied boozer and declined options on brewer and korver you'd get

rose/watson
gordon/hamilton
deng/butler
taj/?/noah
noah/asik

and be able to give him around 11 mil (rough calculation) without hitting the tax. interesting at least

tax isn't the same as the cap

after the raise for rose, amnestying boozer doesn’t help enough.

...oh yeah.

that was dumb.

The trade machine being down for maintenance is the best thing I've heard in months.

They should shut it down for maintenance a lot more often.

I liked the sarcastic trades people would propose

but I won’t be missing the stupid ones.

about time they updated it for the new CBA
well that iggy trade will probably have to wait until the sixers stop blowing out every opponent they face.
sixers are pretty scary this yr

the spencer hawes addition is really paying off. yet again, another kings young player let go.

yet again? Who was before Hawes?
gerald wallace and hedo (before he started to suck)
Noah + Rip for Kevin Martin + Dalembert?

Should work out salary-wise. Houston really needs a defensive-minded big man. They probably have no use for Rip, so we might want to get a third team involved. Can we even trade Rip? Maybe we send Brewer or Korver instead?

Small sample size.

Maybe Noah just didn’t work out enough in the off season, and needs to play himself into shape. I’m confident he will get better, and he isn’t really playing like shit, he just isn’t playing like himself.

I think he, Boozer, and Rip

are the only Bulls who understand that, for this type of team, the playoffs are the only thing that matter. Noah has been around long enough to have learned to pace himself, Doc River’s Celtics style, by coming in out of shape and then hitting stride after the all star break.

#prayingnoahreturnstoformsoon

Boozer is pacing himself

for the end of his contract.

The way Hawes is playing though

Would they want Noah?

I mean without Brand, yes, but they’re paying Brand a lot more money than we’re paying Boozer….and Noah.

I don’t know what’s up wiht Noah, he hasn’t been the same since that ankle injury last year. I just sadly traded him from my fantasy team (I’ve kept him through the last 2 yrs, but this year, I had to go, and what’s worse I traded him for that freakish tranny-Alien, whom I deeply hate, but who will help my friggin team (I pulled a fast one on the league I think).

Also on the last play where they intentionally fouled luol

Luol clearly was bent over, hands on knees, looking tired as fuck.

the bulls schedule has been freekin nuts

so damn condensed.

i bet it's because of the lockout!

Fortunately, Washington at home is next.
Rose aggravated a turf toe, it wasn't the ankle

This worries me more just thinking of what turf toe did to Boozer last season

you can see his toes bend wierd in the replay

I think he’ll be fine though…kid is tough

and Boozer's a 260 lbs bitch
Boozer has a lot more weight on the toe, which means more weight slamming down on it when he lands

Rose the way Rose lands, his flexible ankle and knee joints take most of the weight. not that turf toe isnt painful, but it should be much less annoying and disruptive for Rose and for Boozer

Rose is about 400x as athletic as Boozer

Boozer’s a rather short for a PF guy who has limited athleticism….but what he lacks in athleticism, he makes up for with good footwork in the post (when he uses it) and a nice mid range jump shot.

If he loses a step it’s costly because he loses any lift he has and that makes him much more guardable.

Derrick can lose 3 steps and after that he’ll be on a level playing field with the second most athletic PG in the league….Derrick’s a freak of nature.

sorry I had some weird CPU issues
I was gone for the second half,

were the Bulls bigs really as bad as it looks like they were, on paper?

yes, lots of spazzing from Noah near the bucket

Taj and Omer brought the D in the 4th

If Thibs consistently relies on his backup 4 and 5 to win tough games,

doesn’t he have to think about switching up the minutes distribution? At the very least the front office should think about swinging some moves.

we need a 5th big

too much foul trouble for Noah and Asik to not have someone who can play a few minutes at C…I miss Big Sexy

just watched the Taj interview on nba.com

didn’t know thibs has a no candy rule lol

what?

Skittles corporate lawyers activate!

We will not stand for this.

well Taj did mention he love skittles
Link, or you're the Devil
nba.com video swirks inside the locker room with Taj

Taj

Thank you, you are not the Devil
Was he holding a warm beer?
There's a shirtless god of thunder in that shot

half of Turkey just got impregnated spontaneously

Jujubees gotta be made by him. Ripped so many fillings out.
HE prolly has no self control and knows he'd be face deep in jelly beans if players were allowed to bring candy in.
How did Thibs get Rose to agree to that?!
Seriously?!?

Skittles! COME ON THIBS

First in the east!
the wiz are not even an nba caliber team. rip should play and rose should sit tomorrow.
scalabrine should play point
and center

at the same time

lob it to himself
use super speed to get inside the paint and ctach his own lob.
lol, impossible with cj out

if he returns, then i wouldnt mind rose sitting.

why? just have rip/ronnie/lucas play PG and run a lot of offense through boozer and noah.

the wizards really, really blow.

I wanna see Rose shit on Wall.

He’s a little nicked up so he might take it easy, but I feel like Wall’s gonna have nothing to dougie about tomorrow night!

wall sucks, so who cares.
yeah, overrated piece of crap
they may have a bit more confidence/play harder because they won today

or not. thats a strange team.

Wall hasn't had anything to diggie about all year.

Since he’s been pretty bad.

lol @ diggie
oh nevermind, i remember this horseshit now.
And I mean pretty bad.

He’s having a Brandon Jennings-like second season. Only difference is he still gets some assists and he gets to the line… where he shoots poorly.

... I wonder why I said 'second year'

when Brandon Jennings has always been a crappy shooter; especially ignoring his first month in the league.

I guess the point is, I don't like Brandon Jennings

and I can’t stand John Wall.

i lurk on the bullets forever blog

in the summer time those guys were going gaga over walls summer spectacles when he was dominating on playgrounds and charity events. “look at that jumper” they said, “look how awesome it looks. Look at the way hes defending…did you see that dunk, oh my god wall looks so much better. He is better than derrick rose, westbrook, hes gonna be an all star”

They even did this simulated games during the lockout (when the season should have started already) and talked about how walls stats looked awesome and he was gonna kill…..then real nba started and none of that was true.

They jinxed themselves something bad

Its hard to judge wall at this point

its hard playing with bunch of dumbass players that don’t want to play team bball

Not that difficult to judge horsecrap shooting.

He can at least shoot over 40%. He’s not Pargo.

The Wolves are not playing awful basketball this year

They’re only 3-7, but they have a positive point differential.

He said Wiz.

Referring to tomorrow’s game, I believe.

Oh whoops

Fail on my part. Yeah the Wizards are god awful

"And Bulls are set to begin the first of three games this season against a Top 25 high school team, the Washington Wizards!"
They just showed highlights from the Bulls game

and blurred out what Rose said after he hit a three to seal the game. Anyone know what he said????

looks like he said MotherFuker.
he said motherfucker

i was fucking surprised. i think he was saying it to rubio too

If he was screaming it at Rubio then good.

Sometimes I want to see him get fired up at someone.

that is awesome

welcome to the nba ricky

uhh...

If he said it to rubio I lost a lot respect for him.

really?

rubio made weird faces after a few good plays even in the first quarter. what’s wrong with getting a little excited so late in the game? it’s not like he hard-fouled him over anger or something. when the game ended he also gave rubio a hug fyi.

no matter what kind of douche Rose is going up against

From the way he conduct himself and how sincere he sounds when he is talking to reporter I would just not imagine him saying something like that during a game.

From my opinion, I do think he said motherfucker, but I do not think he was referring to anyone in particular just my opinion.

With that said there is nothing wrong with him trash talking…Its just I would have not expected him to display himself in such a way.

with all respect to your perception of rose

i don’t think he’s “the nice guy” that the media portrays him and i hope he’s not. he seems sincere when he’s talking but he never claims to be the perfect guy, that’s jut what the journalists make of him. he swears a lot, he can get angry on the court, he’s not afraid to say and show he’s sick of attention and he’s nowhere near humble when it comes to playing and winning basketball games. he’s not plastic like, say kevin durant.

of course it’s not right if he referred that mofo to rubio (and i think you’re right about it was just random too) but even if he did it’s because he’s just a human being and doesn’t try to fake being the nicest guy with doing the right. and that makes me like rose more. he’s not a saint, he’s like us. except for making 20-25 million dollars more than the rest of us a year.

if anything, hes very similar to kobe in respect to his attitude

well, a more humble version of kobe, haha

you need to get a close seat at an NBA game

and bring your earmuffs

I uh, actually really enjoy stories of NBA trash talk.

It’s just a part of basketball.

i really doubt he was saying it to rubio, sin has a tendency to exaggerate everything
trying to find video of it

im sure he said motherfucker though.

wee-un bitches!
stacey kings looses cool points tonight

he said the same thing bosh said last season about diving for loose balls. The refs were fucking horrible, I thought we were playing the heat tonight with all the damn foul calls the t-wolves were getting. happy to see Lu step up like he did tonight, love seeing him and Rose in the PnR.

to be fair, bosh said it way more like a bitch, though.
They've played more road games then anyone in the league

One of the toughest schedules, injuries to RIP and Watson, yet still own the NBA’s beat record.

And this is all happening with a horrid Noah

its nice that Korver, Taj, Asik has come in and contribute

esp during games where Booz and Noah were nowhere to be found

yeah cant say we're squeezing the most out of the roster now

still some moving pieces

Maybe we're just overachieving ...

AGAIN!

Lolz

im not too concerned about Boozer and Noah

Boozer had an off game, but he’s been playing very well for the most party as of late. Noah I think might be a case of the lockout. I think he might not quite be in basketball shape, which is something that should fix itself as the season progresses.

I'm not concerned about Boozer

But I am really concerned about Noah.

I think Boozer started the game off well, but then went into hoist-em-up mode, and even when he could have moved closer to the rim, was jacking shots that are a step or two out of his best range. But Boozer was playing fine in the first quarter, so I think had Taj/Asik not been the T-Wolves kryptonite, Boozer would have been back.

But Noah? What’s up. He didn’t take a FGA in Monday’s game, and then in this game he was mostly passive.

I know he’s getting a few ticky tack calls (some of hwich are because he lost some spring in his step).

I hope it’s just an out of shape thing, but if it is that out of shape thing, then Joakim what the f, you knew you’re second year you came out of shape and it sucked, and that should have taught you to bring it in the offseason. I mean you’re friendly with Rose, work otu with him….

Unleash the tornado

He was hiting it pre-injury last year. This year his man sags so far that he clogs the lane for the other players. Noah passes well out of the high post but he needs to hit a few to keep his man honest.

And before we get too excited about Philly

they’ve had a comically easy schedule. They started the season with two games against the Wizards, have lost to Portland and Utah and the only team with a winning record they’ve beaten are the Pacers (who’ve had an easy schedule themselves.) I realize that they’ve decimated some of these teams, but I’ll wait until their games on the 18th, 20th and 21st before I think too highly of them.

Dear lord, they have back to backs against Washington again this week.

And Hawes will come back to earth soon.
And Granger didn't play that game, neither did Hill.
the Pacers (who’ve had an easy schedule themselves.)
creepy video thumbnail.

Random note

Bulls are 2nd in the league in Rebound Rate despite our leading rebounder having only 8.1 per game. This team gang rebounds like their is no tomorrow. Imagine what would happen if Noah woke up.

first or bust
Yes yes... but whose bust is in question?
We're also #2 in offensive rebounds despite the fact that we're

9TH IN FG% at 45.9%.

The team ahead of us (Sacto) shoots 40.5%

Best chant of the night from my section

“Keep them under 100!”

It was college night at Target Center last night.

The Bulls had 99 at that point.

Also

Adelman changed his rotations to open the 2nd half. Anthony Randolph played twice as many minutes as he does in a typical game.

Wes Johnson, who is a bricklayer on most nights, had a great shooting game. Adelman never inserted him again after the first quarter though. That was odd. Wayne Ellington also never saw the floor again. I know the two started the game where the Bulls were +15, but Johnson was playing well and Ellington just sucked.

A lot of the fans in my section think the Wolves should start Randolph at center.

Bulls takes the best record on the league

ESPN writes about how awesome Rubio is

Well, it was Zach Harper.
Rose never gets media attention!
ESPN sucks!

Rose rules!

missed the first half but he was ballin in the fourth woth some pretty dishes and drives

Almost mj-ish/coby-ish the way he ducka his head and moves around defenders to get to the hole…I did not know he soarined hia ankle till I read this…was it bad? Did he go to the room and get a shot? Cuz if so…I say rest him for the next 2-3 games. Ill take a full healthy bulls team on a lower seed than a high seed with an injured team

*injured his ankle
it looked like it might have been his ankle

i wouldn’t be surprised if he just went back to the locker room to get it taped though. he said it was his turf toe injury that he aggravated. he didn’t mention that his ankle was bothering him at all.

toe..ankle...i say let him rest till hes back to speed

Gonna be a long gruiling season…ill take the 7th spot anyday if we are healthy

Just thinking...

Next year should and could be very very interesting when 23 year old Greg Oden goes to the open market.

You know Miami and New York are goign to take a chance on him and offer the max funds they have available….

And I wonder if any team will give much more than the max….

I mean Portland probably doesn’t want to have him walk, but would they pay 4-5 yrs at $5-6M (or whatever the current bargaining thing has) for him to possibly not play?

I can see the risk reward being much greater for New York (course they’d do it even without the reward for a lesser player) and for Miami (if Oden gets himself healthy, they’ll win all the titles and then some….

It’ll be very interesting…..I mean my understanding this year is that his injury is more a precautionary thing for long term health he’s sitting to get the ligaments to heal 100%.

He hasn’t yet retired….hell I’d take a chance at him far before doing the same for like a Battier/Miller, etc.

He's played like 12 games in his career

If Miami really wants to risk their offseason on trying to strike it big with that guy, I’ll be more than ok with it. It’s not like they even NEED someone to be that (potentially) great.

He's played a full season all in

And his numbers for the limited availability he’s had are pretty eye openingly good.

I know they don’t need anyone to be that (potentially great) but if he can come in and just play the D and Board game for them, he’d hold down their C spot and make one of the best defensive teams that much tougher….

And he’ll be 24 next yr….I mean I know it’s different in scope because he already proved his value for many years but Grant Hill was out almost most of what 4-5 yrs and came back in his early past prime 30’s to play very well. Imagine the opposite on a 23 year old who should have some spring and ability to recover….

There's no doubt it would be an interesting, and possibly amazing move if it worked

I just question whether a team like Miami would want to aim that high.

man, they signed Eddy Curry
If Miami really wants to risk their offseason
That hardly qualifies as a risk

I think he signed for the vet min

random conspiracy note...

Why the hell is the Miami/Golden State game highlight not up yet?

That was supposed to be the highlight of my day….

Random comment but I just saw the 2nd quarter and Anthony Randolph fouled Noah on like 3 dunk attempts.

He “blocks” a Noah dunk, except instead of stopping the ball he stopped his elbow. Doesn’t excuse a poor 2nd half though.

Boozer is a cockbag. He starts the game in the post then just drifts further and further away, then compounds it by never bothering to cover Kevin Love, who walks into three straight 3s. I don’t understand how a guy who’s been coached by Krzyzewski, Jerry Sloan and Thibs can be so unaware of what’s going on.

Yeah, noticed that too.

wasn’t even close to a block. he just doesn’t get the calls for some reason. Hope he fights through it.

Noah has to have a poor reputation with officials when it comes to finishing

I think those things count. Maybe its just happenstance, but I’ve noticed Rose getting a lot more questionable calls as he has become better at making difficult lay-ups.

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